Open Forum 2

Channeling December 31, 1990

Seattle, Washington

Open forum with Bestali, Janetis & Serenticidi

Janetis:  Do you have questions

Alea:  It takes us a little while to get the kinks worked out. (Laughter

Janetis:  This is the eve of a new year.

Bill:  Yea, I have a question.  How do you deal with time?

Bestali:  We don’t.

Bill:  Well than how do you know this is the right time here?

Bestali:  Because we see what you guys are doing.  We know that you guys are following your little times, so we know where you’re at in time.  But where we’re at doesn’t make any difference.

Bill:  But, how do you tune into a particular time?

Bestali:  Well all we have to do is, tune into an energy, it doesn’t matter if it is the energy of a person or of a tree or anything else, and it will flow us into the time that it is existing within.

Bill:  But again, that doesn’t answer the question though.  How do you know the specific time when your not dealing with time?

Bestali:  Well you see I’m with Diane all the time.  I am her personal guide, so I’m always right here on her shoulder so I can, oh… I don’t want to say read her thoughts, because that’s not quite accurate.  I simply have awareness of what ever she’s thinking, and, so every thing within her awareness is also within mine.  And she watches the calendar and TV and all these things.

Bill:  So, as a personal guide are you only connected to this person, or are you connected to other people as well?

Bestali:  Well, at this particular time period in, your time of history, this is the only person that I am connected to, who is alive at this period of time but I’m existing at many times at once, so, there are many, many people that I’m connected to.

Bill:  uh huh, alright

Janetis:  If I may add just a little, Perhaps if you realize how much energy you give out to us, the connectivity here.  Everybody is saying it’s New Years Eve, this is the end of something and the beginning of something.  We of course, we pick up that, we know what you believe to be and we can be, what ever you believe to be.

Sherry:  I have a question: Do you have any insights or thoughts about what’s been going on in this particular Northwest region the last few months.  We’ve had several major natural catastrophes with the floods, and the bridge falling down, the weather and lots of accidents and the city being kind of strangled and out of commission for awhile.  What’s the purposeful good out of all of this?  Do you have any insight?

Bestali:  Well, the one thing I would say is that because you live in a particular area you are seeing these natural disasters in your area and sometimes they are overwhelming your news and it’s difficult for you to see that this is not the only place that this is going on.  All this flooding and things that are going on here; this South area of your country has been going through much flooding, and much similar storms also.  So, it’s not just the Northwest.  It is simply part of the Mother Earth going through her changes.  It’s more difficult I guess you would say in this time period when you have such a complex civilization, for these natural disasters because there was a time on the earth when people lived in simple tribes. And if it looked like the valley was going to flood, you just picked up your tipi and moved it up the hill.  But now you can’t do that with your houses and your roads, and so they seem to be more devastating, but only because you have built permanent structures.

Serentecidi:  We are at present in a time, as you know time to be on this plane, when there is much turmoil, in the physical manifestation of this planet.  These floods, the temperature changes, this snow, which is not common to this region, There are many reasons for this.  One of the most predominant is that the Earth, as a planet, and it’s consciousness, is going through an evolutionary change.  Just as mankind, each individual, is going through it’s own evolutionary growth, so to is the planet.  And it is building up to a cleansing for mankind, as we call ourselves on this planet, has caused much devastation to the planets consciousness.  There is much of this…  what is this term, nuclear waste, things of this nature, that just as it affects mankind in the physical body, so too does it affect the planet…  your garbage, this oil in the waters, many, many different things going on throughout the planet.  And it is simply working on cleansing itself of these, through the process that it goes through every so often in each evolution.  For if the planet were not to go through these cleansing phases, mankind as you know it would cease to exist,  for you would pollute yourself right out of a home so to speak.

Bestali:  A lot of times, things that you consider to be disasters, are not really a disaster at all.  You only consider them to be disasters because they destroy physical things that you place importance on, and if you have awful floods and big earth quakes and  all these things and no one dies, then is there really a disaster at all?  It’s only physical property and even if someone dies, truly is that a disaster?  They have simply gone home.  It’s only a disaster for those who choose to grieve.  So if you take your importance off the material issue, then there is no disaster.  If your home goes floating down the river, then you make a new home.

Ida:  Bestali, what do you see happening in the Middle East?

Bestali:  Oh boy you like to ask the tough questions huh? (Laughter) Well I would have to say, that at this current time the majority of the pathways are leading this country into a war in that area, and I find it very disturbing that there’s becoming less and less pathways that lead you away from that issue.  I would say that’s the most likely path.  And I think also the part that’s disturbing is the fact that it’s not a war that your country or your president perceives.  He perceives going in, and having a short time war with Iraq and taking back Kuwait, But the reality is that once that begins it’s going to become a larger issue because this Saddam Hussen is going to bring into it the issue of Israel.  He will take advantage of the situation to attack Israel if you start the war over there, and once that has been accomplished, you see, then he’s going to ally himself with other countries in the region, and of course your country is going to feel an obligation to protect Israel, as well as Egypt, who is very vulnerable in this situation.  So it becomes, what a, now seems like a little job of taking back Kuwait, turns into a big disaster in the war area.  Because there are many other countries such as Syria and Libya and ahh… Iran and these countries like these have been waiting for an opportunity to get back at the United States for what they perceive the United States has done to them.  So, they are going to jump on the band-wagon if given the opportunity, and he’s not going to turn them down.

Roy:  Is there still an opportunity for those, if the thoughts are put forward to bring about a peace in this area?

Bestali:  There’s always that opportunity.  The one problem that I foresee as far as that is that the consciousness of the people in the Middle East is a consciousness that desires war.  They are a warring people in that area and their consciousness is very strong.

Roy:  I heard someone say that there were people in this area that were brought in, that are of a fairly high consciousness that go in there and utilize their thought to try and alleviate the conflict.

Bestali:  There are those and good luck to them I say, I hope they are successful.

Roy:  My thoughts go with them too.

Bestali:  I want to say this man Baker (Secretary of State) is not one of them.

Serentecidi:  The dilemma that exists with this issue of trying to alleviate this issue of war, is there are many, such as those who are within this room, of like mind and like heart to where you wish peace and harmony within this planet for all mankind.  It is unfortunate, however, that you are what would perhaps be called on this planet a very vast minority.  The bulk of the people of your planet either are neutral, so to speak… do not have a feeling on the issue one way or the other, or very many have much anger within them.  Thus the energy they are putting out is the negativity and so, while those of us who are working with the light, are trying to bring forth love and peace upon the planet,  and do much to limit perhaps the full extent of this war, I do not believe at this point in the evolution of the planet and what is going on that there are enough of us to make this change to stop it completely.  But every thought, every prayer that we put out does indeed have an impact on the final outcome, so to speak.

Bill:  I think there is some positive.  What I’ve been hearing is all the negative aspects of the conflict or the, presumed conflict in the Middle East but there are some positive aspects as well.  Could you address yourself to that?

Bestali:  Well lets see, that for one thing it’s going to… on your monetary issue and your survival, it’s going to create a temporary boost in your economy that’s much needed, because your economy is headed for depression, and it’s going to stop that, as war always does. But, I think the most positive thing to look at, at this point is that you’ve overcome your problems with the Soviet Union.  And you have established a brotherhood with that country, that despite what ever happens in the Middle East, and how many of these leaders in the Middle East try to manipulate this situation, this bond between the Soviet Union and the United States would not be broken.  There is too much ah…  brotherhood that has been established, and I have to give credit for that to your former president Reagen, it’s probably the only positive thing he brought about for this country, was that relationship, and it’s going to be… it’s going to stop the world from the holocaust that would have happened if this conflict would have come about, say, 20 years ago.  It would have been a world holocaust,  but the Soviet Union is going through many problems of it’s own, as far as with hunger and things, and the United States is going to have to help them as much as they can, and that’s going to be a positive relationship there and hopefully the two super powers, as you call them, together are going to be able to create this war being short lived.

Bill:  Are there any other positive aspects to it?

Bestali:  I’m sure that on the personal level, for many people that their are some positive aspects to it, and I would say for, in the way of seeking, people seeking Spirit that it’s going to have a positive aspect, because many people, especially in this country have become very apathetic and materialistic, and having a conflict of this nature affecting their families and friends  is going to set them on a path of seeking Spirit, looking for questions and answers.  And that’s probably the most positive thing… is the personal level, the personal seeking that it sets people on…

Bill:  But, I haven’t heard you address the issue of cultural clash.  The Moslem culture is considerably different than our culture, and the introduction of our troops in that particular area is stirring up a lot of the cultural fixed ideas in the Muslim world and this could have a lot of positive changes in that particular part of the world.

Janetis:  I guess our perception is that it’s a transient thing… it’s a transient thing, they will be there, they will be gone.  The issues involved in what they perceive are religious practices are those foolish issues men get themselves into when they come on this plane It’s simply, they will argue among themselves and each will be… I’m right… they’re right, Bestali’s right – no, no – Serentecidi’s right – It’s Janetis is right.  We are all right… we are all one… and that’s the thing we must always remember.  That’s the message that we must always give out to whom we speak to, be it the Middle East people, be it here in the Seattle area.  We are one, and that’s the message of our group, our people of like mind.  That’s the message that will come across to the middle east as well as all over the planet.

Bestali:  I think that right now, this religious issue in that area is causing more conflict than any thing else.,  Your people from the United States, and England and the other countries that are part of the United Nations forces, are being put in a position where they don’t have the freedom to express there own religious beliefs and so very little are they being able to affect their culture, except for setting fear into them.  And it’s important to remember that the people who are living in that culture, although in many ways they are oppressed, have chosen to have that experience at this time.  And the world is going to come about it’s changes… I would say it’s going to be very quickly, the changes that are going to come about on this world, but it’s not going to be conflict free.  Because when the world gets turned upside down, so to speak, then people are going to be in confusion for a time.  Spirituality is always a…. It’s always a personal issue.

Roy:  Are we working towards a more global …  ah …. coming together of the people. (oh yes)  In other words are we going to break down the barriers where we’ll meet everyone as an equal, (yes) and look at them as a .. as a brother rather than some one from a foreign country?

Bestali:  We are working towards a time when there will be no countries, it will be planet Earth, and you will be Earthlings.

Sherry:  Will you talk about the role that the space brothers will play then, our space brothers and sisters.

Janetis:  I should be happy to!  I have said, we do have a list of predictions, we… we were asked to give .. ah ..unfortunately, those who own these bodies didn’t get to the copy place in time so we will … shall have them out sooner or later (laughter)  uhm… One of the things that I have said is that there will be in time some more discussion of Aliens and ah.. some more discussion about who is good, who is bad.  Ah… this has come up before.  Are you a good Alien or are you a bad Alien?  Ah … I am a good Alien   (laughter) 

Comment:  That’s what they all say.  (More laughter)

Janetis:  That’s what they all say… is correct   (additional laughter)  This is an issue that has been raised simply to confuse,  to… to cause problems for people.  ah…They like to confuse the issue because then it gives you something to spin on and you don’t, you are centered.  You can’t find your own answers and your own truth, because, you are too busy trying to decide are they black are they white.  Are they … what are they?  Ah, the Aliens here that are with your planet, those of my planet, those of the others, who are approved to be in this area, are all good, they are all helpful, they are all assigned to do different duties.   Those who are not, who are of the darker energies, simply do not effect us.  You are light people.  You will not attract dark energy as long as you maintain your light.

Bestali:  I would have to say of your earlier question whether an alien is light or dark, the question would be is it an Alien.  Because the Aliens you see, the ones who are in physical bodies and the ones who are surrounding this planet. There is… what we call a … a universal understanding, and that is … been effected, especially on this planet, that those who are in physical form are not allowed to leave there planet and travel to other planets, until they have come to a place of inner harmony on there own planet.  We don’t want them taking there negativity’s off to other places, and that’s why the space programs in the Unites States and the Soviet Union have been stalled, and stalled, and stalled with many different aspects happening because your not ready to go into space.  So if you meet a space brother in person,

you know that it’s someone of the light  (laughter)

Janetis:  How do you do  (more laughter) You may have other questions regarding the space brothers.  Um… They ah… they yes do have a part to play.  And there part is in fact in encouraging you to all find your inner truths and find your higher selves.  Ah to…. ah .. .do this with joy.  Do this with joy always.  Don’t listen to the news, the news is terrible.  I don’t listen to it.  I turn it off when they have it on at the house. It’s easy to do.  The space brothers are not set apart from you.  They are with you.  They are among you.  There are those here in this room who are in fact … brothers, sisters.

Sherry:  How do we know that we’re not part of that?

Janetis:  We don’t have to know that!  They know!

Bestali: On some level anyway.  Not necessarily consciously.

Janetis:  That I have a body, that I am originally from a different planet is of no use.  I am here now, I am on this planet.  I work with you.

Lori:  So if we want to communicate with them what is the best way to do that?

Janetis:  Say hello!  (Laughter)  They’re there.

Lori:  You say hello and you don’t get an answer back.

Janetis:  Oh?  But they always will answer.  You must tune your listening in so you hear the answer.  You will find the answer to come from the within you.  Also, you look without, you will find the Alien within as well.

Serentecidi:  There are different ways of communicating with those that you refer to as Aliens.  A simple process is in your meditation, through telepathy, or,…. most of those who are in the physical body, as you know it, alien to your planet, use telepathy rather than verbalizing their speech, so to speak.  So that is their normal form of communication.  It is, perhaps, a bit difficult at this time to communicate directly with them for their communication is at a very high level in most circumstances.  Therefore we must learn to elevate our energies, … to communicate with them.  Just as you would communicate with a guide or your highest self.  It is a very similar process.  There are those who are available to do automatic writing if you so desire.  It is a simple way for them to communicate also.  Those who are to meet them face to face, to use you terms of this plane, shall do so when the time is right.

Bestali:  Or you may have met some already.

Serentecidi:  Indeed.

Bestali:  Have you ever met somebody who could look right through you, and was reading your mind?  That was an Alien most likely.

Serentecidi:  Much of the role that they have to play, is, what you say, down the road a bit, for they shall be assisting you with new technologies.  That once the Earth cleanses herself, they shall be bringing new technologies, so you may not go through and do what you have done, collectively to the planet once more.  So you do not pollute, things of this nature.

Bestali:  Well they have to wait until you … you have gotten to a place on your planet where they can land without somebody capturing them and putting them in a little federal cell and ah …examining them and testing them, and prodding them because there not going to be able to give you any technology  that way.  And that’s where your government is right now.  They have done that in the past and if they get the opportunity they would do it again.  Because they are frightened that they want to take over the planet, which is silly.  They got their own planets.

Janetis:  Well… most do.  (Laughter)

Lori:  One of the pictures they had on the recent, oh.. I don’t know, the Star or the Inquirer had pictures of an Alien there.  Was that for real?  It was captured!

Serentecidi:  Was it a tall one?

Lori:  A tall one yea, it was quite silver looking.  They had pictures.  I don’t know if it was a hoax or whether it was for real but they had pictures on the front page and they said two weeks later that it escaped   (laughter)  I want to know is that for real?

Janetis:  You are asking the wrong people, you ask the people who put out the news.  Certainly they should know.

Lori:  Well, I’m not sure they would tell you.

Serentecidi:  To answer you perhaps indirectly.  The image that they project is indeed what you would refer to as a physical manifestation of a alien being.  They are what you know to be,.. or what we know to be the Salinian race from Salina.  They are very tall.  But the image of the face structure is not quite correct, for they are perhaps to say, very handsome,  even in the standards of Earth people.

Bestali:  Certainly not silver.

Serentecidi:  Indeed.

Lori:  Yea, this one was silver and they had it hand cuffed .

Serentecidi:  It is, it is close, but not correct but to say disinformation.

Janetis:  In this mind, it says, close but no cigar.  (Laughter)

Serentecidi:  But there are those, they are, six to seven feet, the Salinian race, and the short ones.  The ones two and one half to three feet that have the larger head and the large eyes, they are the Pentalites. They are the predominant race of Aliens, as you call them who are assisting your planet at this time in it’s evolution.  That is their role to play.  They are perhaps to say your sister planet.  That as they evolve, and you as a race evolve, you too shall have a sister plane and as you get beyond where you are at this point, you shall go and guide them as the Pentalites have assisted you and guided you through your evolution to this point.

Bestali:  Well you’ve got a little while to get ready for that because the planet that is the sister planet for Earth is in what you called cave man times, according to your histories.  So it’s going to be awhile before they’re ready for any Alien helpers

Roy:  You spoke about a truth just now.  What is the common truth that there is between the different planets and ours?  There has to be a common bond.  What is this?

Janetis:  The common bond between the planets, between the people is one.

Roy:  That there’s one god.

Bestali:  Oh yes.

Janetis:  That there’s one everything.  We are all one.

Roy:  That there’s no separation.

Janetis:  There is no separation

Bestali:  If you would take one person or one planet away then your god is incomplete.

Janetis:  Or one atom.  There is no separation.

Ida:  Is President Bush getting any good advice?

Bestali:  I wish that he was!

Janetis:  I think there are some that are advising well.

Bestali:  He simply chooses to ignore them.

Ida:  Should we have just let the United Nations try to handle the police business or should we have not gotten involved or what?

Bestali:  Well, if you had not gotten involved …. you would have ah …avoided war by doing that, but you also would have put yourself in a situation ,down the line there ,where Saddam Hussen would have controlled the oil of the world, because he would have continued on his rampage the he’s doing.  So any way you look at it, it was going to affect your every day life and your community, because if it wasn’t war it would be your gas prices, and your heating oil and everything else.

Janetis:  It will be all right.   Do not fear.

Roy:  Aren’t the larger issues more political than ah… anything else.

Bestali:  Oh yes.

Janetis:  Men fight for all reasons.

Roy:  Mainly political (laughter)

Janetis:  We should change that, right?

Roy:  That’s right.  It’s where we want to head towards but it’s a difficult road at this stage.

Janetis:  To see white we must have black.  Remember that.

Bestali:  Well you see this war in the short term is going to be very good for all your presidents personal interests, because he’s a oil man and his friends are oil men.

Roy:  That’s one reason he went into it – was to create, or to bring the economy up.  That was his reason for it .

Bestali:  And if you can’t get ah… oil from the Middle East, because there’s war going on then your oil people in Texas and all these other places are going to have to pump more and their going to get rich as the prices go up, and that is what Bush is.  He’s one of the oil men and it’s the other oil men that put him into office.  But that’s ok,  his term is almost over.  (Laughter)

Erika:  So what are the good things that will happen to us in the coming year?  Positive ones.

Janetis:  You shall know more Spirit.  (Laughter)  That’s good.

Bestali:  Well I think that you are all creating a lot of positivity for yourselves personally.  And I would have to say, that if nothing else, your going to have a very clear picture that President Bush is only someone that your going to vote out of office.  And when you make this choice there is somebody who… he’s unknown to the political arena at this time, and will remain unknown until kind of the last minute, who is going to make a very good president, for difficult times…. very spiritual.

Janetis:  You will feel personally more energies.  They’re coming.  They have been coming.  They shall increase, there shall be more.  More, more and more people coming to the fore that you…. Many of you in this room have channeled entities that you speak through… or .. that speak through you.  This will increase.  There are many, many here in spirit speaking now.  You will have many points of view to listen to, and you know all of you this one is the best and the only one to finally understand your own perceptions.  I say you take what Bestali says, what Serentecidi says, you take what all the other entities say and you play it in your own heart, in your own higher self.  You play it against you and then you know the truth.  Always.  There will be much commotion in this next year.  But there will be much love as well.  We can always turn our face to what ever side we wish.  I will turn my face to joy.

Bestali:  I think that you are going to find as these  little things happen, as you see, with your floods and these little natural disasters, as you call them, happen, you’re going to find your community becoming stronger with it’s relationships, instead of everybody living their little separate lives, and going to their little jobs and going home and ignoring each other.  You’re going to find that there going to be forced to pull together and that’s the most positive thing of all.  When you find people who have lost their homes, and other people out of no-where are taking clothes out of their closet, and shoes off their feet and giving these people warm blankets and what they need, and your going to see more and more of that… people acting like brothers and sisters like they should;  treating each other with respect and love, instead of pretending your not part of the same thing – that you’re not both God.

Janetis:  And as a wise one once said,  “and they tell two more, and they tell two more, and they tell two more,” and pretty soon we are together.  And the world, all of us together will be harmony, will be love.

Bestali:  One very positive thing that I see coming about, in this next year especially is many of the elders and great shamans of your Native American tribes, who have been staying on their reservations and simply working with their own people are going to… oh… go public maybe your going to say.  And they are going to come forth with their ancient teachings, and share them, and their ways of life and they are going to help to rid the separation between the races.

Lori:  What about the banking system, they’ve been talking about it’s getting pretty shaky.  What do you see happening with that?

Bestali:  Oh, it’s going to remain shaky for awhile before it goes eventually.  It’s going to…. Oh you say your little banks. You’ve got many little banks and they’re going to go off one by one by one.  So, it’s going to take some time, so I would say… If you’ve got a lot of business to do with the bank, I would research the bank that your dealing with, and make sure that they are solid at this time, because some will go, but it’s not time for them all to go yet.

Lori:  That’s coming later then.

Sherry:  Will silver or gold be a wise means of investment … ah exchange?

Bestali:  There will be a time that they would be used for exchanges, but I would say that the one thing I would think people should do, is to have a skill that is worth bartering for.  Because barter is going to be more prevalent than exchange of physical items.  Maybe your going to take care of somebody that’s sick, and they’re going to give you food.  Things like this.  Find skills.  If you know how to cook, and how to can and sew and other things that are … or if you know how to garden, things like this, that’s going to be more valuable than anything material.

Janetis:  For those of you who are in this room, as we have said before, are teachers.  You are the teachers of the teachers, you are the teachers that are going to go out and the people that are here in this particular area of the Northwest have come here as a learning. …. Some of you were born here, some have come from other places.  You are here. ..  This is the university here.  You come here, you are taught, and you will move around, you will disperse your teachings to all.  It’s a very important calling.  You have all been called, and you have all answered.  I see all of you here.  I know you.  I’ve seen all of you in class.  (Laughter.)  You certainly have woken up in the middle of the night and can say… why am I in class…  and have the awareness that you have been in some kind of formal class.  If you haven’t had this experience, you will!

Gloria:  Will you speak on the Ashtar command.  What is it?   How does it serve?

Janetis:  There are two commands.  One is Ashtar, and one is Ishtar.  They are but reflections one of another.  They serve in the same ways that I spoke of prior to this.  They serve as any Alien would serve in assisting this planet.   They are not ever to interfere with the planet.   They are not ever to tell the planet… or… those upon this planet what it is they are to do.  That is not their priority, that is not something they are allowed to do by universal law.  They assist as needed.  Their roles will be more in the future than they are right now.  They are just space keeping at this point in time.

Bestali:  You see they can only do what your earth consciousness gives them permission to do.  So if any Alien group is going to tell you that they’re going to intercede in the governments or try to stop a war or something, that’s not within their rights.  All they can do is observe and try to disseminate wisdom.  They don’t have the right to interfere, unless you give them permission to interfere, and that would be pretty foolish, because it’s your planet

Gloria:  Could you talk about disease on this planet and it’s purpose, like the aids, cancer and some of the other devastating disease that are here now?

Bestali:  Most of them are simply ways you have chosen to balance out karmic situations that you have.  Oh… many of them you created on this planet for what you call character strengthening.   That you can, oh … merely suffer with something for many years, and then rid yourself of it when you are ready, and through this suffering, you become very strong to take on what ever role you’ve come to play out, because this is simply role playing.  It’s all illusion, and so there is truly no devastation.  You can choose…. You know when you have your doctors, and they tell you your terminally ill.  Well… what does that mean, because everybody’s terminally ill.  (Laughter)    There just in a body for a little while and then it’s going to be gone when your ready for it to be gone.  So, if somebody tells you, you have cancer and your going to die, say well, .. that’s going to be my choice isn’t it.  I can either choose to accept the cancer in my body and die, or I can choose to heal myself and go on to do other things.  So it’s choice, and including this disease of Aids.

Gloria:  So then is contagion a reality or something you create for yourself?

Bestali:  It exists within your atoms.  But, you see, you can have someone who’s contagious, and two people…. maybe he’s contagious and these two ladies are sitting next to him, and maybe ones going to get sick and the others not, even though they were both next to someone contagious.  So it is all choice, whether you choose to experience it or not.

Serentecidi:  Much of this contagious factor, as you call it, perhaps is involved with the collective consciousness of the people of the planet.  For if something is said to be contagious, and the majority of the people of the planet accept that definition, that is what it becomes.

Lori:  Why would someone choose to have Alzheimer’s?  If they don’t remember they can’t mentally take care of them self.

Bestali:  The same reason that somebody would choose to experience any other kind of disease, and in the case of Alzheimer’s I would have to say … who’s karma is being balanced ?  Is it the person with the

Alzheimer’s or the family of the person, because the family is the one doing the most suffering?  So these things are almost always prearranged in Spirit,. You know that your choosing your family and your coming together with a purpose and you have things to work out together and maybe the one person says well if I have Alzheimer’s, at this point in my life, then it’s going to strengthen all of you, and then I’ll pass on and then you’ll go on being stronger people to follow your own path.

Roy:  So this raises another question.  When little children get ill, they don’t consciously take this on themselves, where does it come from.

Bestali:  Oh.. You obviously take it on upon yourselves.

Roy:  The little children as well?

Bestali:  Of course, of course.

Janetis:  The plan is made before your birthed.  You decide how your life is going to be.  What experiences you wish to have on this plane.  That’s a decision made before birth especially in terms of yes, I’m going to have ah… I’m going to return to Spirit at this time in my life.

Roy:  That part I understand, but, looking at the little child and knowing how close it is to Spirit at that stage, how then can it accept this virus into itself at that particular stage.

Janetis:  Because, it’s all the Earth experience they have chosen.

Roy:  In other words they wanted that experience at that particular time.

Janetis:  Many people who choose to come in as walk-ins, come in, in that very fashion.  Where the two get together prior to the birthing and decide that this is all the experience I wish in this life and you may then take the body and you may then continue with your mission.  That happens a lot.

Sherry:  I’d like to say something regarding this choice.  I think for us in the metaphysical community it’s important to remember that it’s choice with a capital C, not a small c.  It’s not a personality choice that a seven year old would choose bone marrow cancer or something like that.  It’s the Soul choice…because I hear us in the community say why did you break your leg?  Why did you do that like it’s … putting guilt and blame on the individual.  I think we have to be careful about not putting guilt, and blame and shame on the individual that experiences some level of suffering.  Granted, it is Soul chosen but the personality didn’t choose it.  Do you see what I mean?  Do you agree with this?

Janetis:  That’s truth

Bestali:  Yes,  there’s a fine line between placing the guilt and then ah… allowing them to not take self responsibility – very fine line in that, because you don’t want to say to everybody, you get to a point where your just an uncaring person, if you say, well so what, you broke your leg big deal.  You know you want to show some compassion and some love for other people even though you know they made their choices.

Erika:  So then what do we do… like I work with the leukemia patients.  In the case of they think it’s leukemia because of pre arranged.  Now they do a total radiation to their body, and then we give them new bone marrow and many of them live.  What did that whole turn about now do to their plan, because this whole thing was done to them.

Janetis:  Their plan was never to pass over to Spirit.  Their plan was to continue to live.

Bestali:  You can’t make somebody live who’s ready to go.  So if they’re choosing to have the radiation and do get well it’s because they’re choosing to get well.  They’re not ready to go.  You can’t force someone to stay on the planet who wants to go home.  They’re gonna find a way.

Erika:  So, in that case, it sounds like we don’t give any credit to the medical community.

Bestali:  Well, I say that it doesn’t matter whether it’s a medical doctor, or whether it’s a spiritual healer, or what it is, they are all tools, that’s all.  Healers are tools,  whether they be doctors or whether they be herbs or whatever, because ultimately you are responsible for healing yourself and if you allow somebody to offer you energy and you take the energy, the gift that they have give you and you, use that energy to heal yourself, that’s wonderful.  But you can choose not to accept that, or you can choose the treatment a doctor gives you, to be healing for you.  But ultimately it’s the individual’s choice.  There’s no such thing actually – what is as the word, the way you use it, as a healer, because you can’t heal another, you can only gift them with energy

Ida:  Would it be good to do daily meditations?

Janetis:  It would benefit everyone to meditate, to dialog with Higher Self.  It’s very important, the most important thing you can do is listen to Higher Self, and to dialog, to ask these questions – you have of your own truth – that of Higher Self, greater self, however you choose to identify that part of you, that is your God self.  You asked the questions on a daily basis, regarding your life, regarding what you see on the television, regarding anything you choose, yes?  Daily meditation yes!

Bestali:  The hardest part to remember is to trust the answers that you get.  So many of you are very connected with your Higher Selves,  and you ask the question and get the answer and you say that’s just me.  (Laughter)  That’s nothing… you write it off.  You must trust what you get.  More than you trust anybody else, trust what you get there.

Serentecidi:  Most people on this plane spend much of their time as you call it, scurrying about, keeping the mind preoccupied with the material world issues of their life.  And for a person whether it is through meditation or just quieting…  finding a quiet time for them self, that is what is important for them.  If they meditate that is a very efficient means.  If they just find a quiet time for them self, that too is efficient, for it allows them to put aside the material world, and look within, and that is where you find your answers.

Bestali:  Most of you take showers every day and I found that ah… when we first began to contact with Diane, the shower is a very conductive place, because of the water washing over the body.  Communication in this shower is very easy to achieve and if it’s something you do every day anyway, you might as well listen to your Higher Self, while your washing your hair.  (Laughter

Ida:  Bestali, I have a problem of programming right now because our other guest is going to have to be leaving us.  So um … were going to go back into meditation a little later, but I’d like to have us break for about 5 minutes.

Bestali:  All right.

Gloria:  Can I just ask one quick thing Ida?

Ida:  If it’s very quick.

Gloria:  On the new movie Dances with Wolves, is that part of the healing between the Native Americans and the other people on this nation?

Serentecidi:  Very much so, especially for those of you of the White or the Caucasian race.  For there is much confusion between the Native Americans and the Caucasians for it is perception.  The Whites perceive the Indian to be this savage.  The Indians perceive the White to be the savage.  (Laughter)   For the natives were here, doing what they did very peacefully, in harmony with all their surroundings – the animals, the trees, all that is.  In came the White man, not understanding who they were and what their connection with the Great Spirit was.  They came in ignorant, so to speak, on that issue as far as the native’s perspective and went about kicking them out of their property, things of this nature, so there is much conflict.  This movie and many other things, that shall be coming up, are a way of breaking the ice, so to speak, for those of you of the White race as well as many of the others, to see the native for who they were and who they are.  For the natives were not this savage being, but were extremely spiritual, very loving people.  That is who they are at this point, though much of the experience of the native is very jaded, for the same reason that the whites perceive that the Indian is to be nothing but drunken bums.  The natives are going through the same thing, but on the other side of the coin.  This shall help to bring the unity between all races.

Gloria:  That’s a very good bridge

Serentecidi:  Indeed.  We are very pleased, and there shall be many more things of this nature to come.

Collective group: Thank you, thank  you

Myrtle:  Thank you for helping us to look within our soul to flower more.

Janetis:  We wish you all light and love

Lori:  Thank you for being here.

Bestali:  I think I’m going to stay around for the meditation.  (Laughter  …  You’re back now?  (To Randy)

Randy:  Yea, That was kind of a crash landing.

Bestali:  You were kinda far away.

Randy:  Yea, out there somewhere.