I’ve never even heard the name Blossom Goodchild until today when my friend Alex sent out and email crediting her with the information about the ET’s coming on the 14th.  I received emails with that information from a couple different people and blew them off without even reading the whole thing because I have known for a long time that ET’s were not going to come.  Friendly ET’s subscribe the the Universal Law of non interference.  I’ve talked about this often.  If we get an ET scenario it will be a fake ET invasion scenario set up by the powers that be.  In fact I have talked about this so often that when I got the emails I didn’t even feel the need to mention it on the blog at all.  There is NO federation of light just like there is NO commander Ashtar and his ET’s.  True friendly ETS first of all don’t use military hierarchy structures when they travel they have no commanders and so forth.  They don’t need them.  I know with the situation on earth it is hard to imagine a society that doesn’t need leaders but that is what it is to live in divine harmony with source as an ascended society.

This woman was duped by the machine message programming I have talked about.  It is the same technology that is used to send out the Sananda, Kuthumi, St. Germane and Ashtar messages to so many channelers.  What amazes me more than her getting duped by the dark forces are the thousands who heard the message and believed it, and thought it was something hopeful.  I just don’t understand why humanity thinks friendly ET’s showing up is something to hope for.  They are no different than us, they are just farther along on their path.  They have no abilities that we ourselves do not possess.  Please stop hoping for them to come and save us and go within and do the work required for us to save ourselves, so to speak.  It is a huge expression of seeking outward instead of inward.

I don’t believe this woman intended to scam anyone.  I think she just figured out that has been scammed.  As someone who has done a lot of channeling it is the very reason I wish I could disassociate myself with it.  Even when you are working with entities that are of the light not all information is going to come to pass because we live in a situation that is continuously evolving.  Here’s the thing though, when hundreds and then thousands of people are getting the same message from the same sources (like the federation of light, or Ashtar et al)  you can be assured that is it most likely 90% pure crap.  Disinformation is everywhere, truth is hard to get out.  People don’t want truth, they want to fit in and be part of the crowd.  That is why dark forces make sure they have lots of ways to get their disinformation to the crowd knowing the mass will go along with it.  It doesn’t even matter to them on which side because while the mass on the spirit side fell into the spaceship thing, a mass on the other side said all channelers and all their info is bullshit.  That’s fine with the dark forces because then they control those who are open with disinformation, and they get to revel in the rest rejecting any information off hand by any true mediums.  As usual it works out for them and screws the masses.

My heart goes out to this woman.  It is clear watching her that she was sincere and her intent came from love but she had no clue she was influenced by either dark entities or mind control technology or a combination thereof.  Her apology and confusion in this you tube video will pull at your heartstrings.  It is the most awful public way to have to learn such a hideous lesson in discernment.  I would say to those who want to excuse her, and those who want to crucify her the real message is PAY ATTENTION  go within and find truth.  Discernment not only requires us to see the lies of the dark forces it also requires us to see truth when it is presented.  I’ve talked a lot about those who have trouble discerning dark forces and fall for everything that comes along, but I really have never talked about those who reject truth because it comes in a form that frightens them. 

Figuring out who is real and who isn’t requires a certain amount of energy that some people just don’t want to give so they reject all information.  The problem is that over time these people tend to be the ones who also won’t go inside to get information because they are not willing to give the energy to discern within any more than they are with information without.  The end result is they end up limited and close minded and then defend their position as factual or based on evidence when the reality is they have never really looked into the matter.   Over time their mind literally cannot accept input that is outside the limited realm they have accepted.  Once they reach this point they are absolute pawns for dark forces.  Being so close to the election you can watch the effect in action.  Partisans on both side will spew out talking points that are completely irrational and defend them with all they have.  If a independent or third party candidate offers simple common sense no one will listen because they literally cannot hear, their minds have been closed off and sealed.  It is the very reason why if Jesus were to return today the Christians would be the ones to crucify him this time.

The conversations with Spirit are presented in audio form, using real player on the web, or cassette.  June 25, 29, July 4, and July 13 are all conversations with Ascended Master Bestali.  July 28 is a discussion of a few things Bestali left to us.  It is Tatiacha, Bev and Randy talking.  In all sessions Bestali is speaking through Tatiacha (Also known as Diane Wood and at the time of The Source and Back Diane Shinn), to her mother Bev, Brother Randy, and occasionally Nephew Eric who was 12 at the time.  Tatiacha had not yet changed her name, and Bestali refers to her in the sessions as Diane.  These conversations were recorded in our motor home, while we were living in it, and there are dogs making noise now and then, and a little kitten, that on occasion decided to bat the microphone.  They are generally easy to listen to, despite these little distractions.  Below are brief outlines of the subjects contained in the conversations.We recommend you listen to, or read From the Source and Back the Cycle of a Spirit before you listen to these Conversations with Spirit as there are terms used in the conversations that will be confusing if you are unaware of what they mean, as our guides use them.  One such term is Potential.  If you don’t recognize that from the Source & Back, you better read or listen to it again, as it is used freely in these conversations. 

One term used in these conversations that is not in the Source and Back, is Standing Forth. This term refers to the full expression of our true divine nature. Perfection, ascension on the earth. From this place of Standing Forth we can accomplish anything that the great Masters such as Jesus and Buddha did and more. This includes, but is not limited to; walking on water, direct manifestation, heating, cooling or lighting an environment through the spirit, without physical means, transporting our bodies from one place to another through change in vibration etc. This should give you an idea of the use of this term. For a more practical example of this state we recommend reading Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East by Baird T. Spalding.

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The sessions – length and contentJune 25 1996 Part 1 – Length 47:55
The Earth Mother birthing a consciousness for a new planet – going into the emotional dimension – the blue sun  light bodies – grounding – Earth changes – Yellowstone Park – time

June 25 1996 Part 2 – Length 47:58
More on Earth changes – earthquakes – fires – floods and droughts – back to the subject of time – personal safety  manifestation – resistance – receiving – being in the now – dark energy – power – protection of self – stored energy – clearing negative energies – witch lines – Enochian Circle

June 25 1996 Part 3 – Length 47:57
Preventative grid work – Protection through the Angels – light tunnels – vortexes – leylines – preparing a living space – Sedona vortexes – implants – Bev’s accident – spiritual side effects – storing emotions in the physical body – forgiveness – karma – right & wrong – abortion – mass murderers – neurological disorders – mental illness  behavior of children – parenting
June 25 1996 Part 4 – Length 39:21
Calling the asteroids – comet hitting Jupiter – planet “Genesis” – asteroid hits when planet Leanar blew up  Earth change movies – nuclear bombs and their effects – sexuality & creation energy – black box free energy machines – toxins – aids – definition of darkness – star trek – Pentalites – Demetra – ship clouds – Bermuda Triangle – crop circles – animal mutilations – environmentalists – unibomber

Note: In this section of the conversations (June 29th) Bestali goes over the diagrams on the web site, including the chakra system diagrams, the body grids diagrams, the Kundalini diagram, the elemental chakras diagram and the Universe diagrams.  It will be easier to understand this conversation if you print out the diagrams first and have them handy as you listen.

June 29 1996 Part 1 – Length 48:03
7 chakras – 22 chakra system – 4 bodies – Numerology of the chakras – discussion of the chakra and body diagrams – sacred space vs. energy – Seat of the Soul – elemental chakras – elemental chakras and how they effect societies – some energy flows – Kundalini – sacred sphere

June 29 1996 Part 2 – Length 47:59
Kundalini continued – DNA creation center – conception  / genetic qualities – Kundalini complications – pre-birth (spiritual) development in regards to Kundalini – healing work on someone who is opening the Kundalini – Numerology of the planes – Astral and Causal planes – Ascension – Archangels – Ascended Masters – Angels that don’t incarnate – lower Astrals.

June 29 1996 Part 3 – Length 48:01
Astral and Causal planes (cont.) – two types of ascension – gifts – communication with spirit – vibration points within the planes – vibration of the Devas and nature spirits – see the light – recognizing light & dark in channeling – conscious channel vs. deep trance – the body and beliefs, food and vitamins – Universes – superuniverse – Fathers;  Melchizeldek, Enoch and Michael – Superuniversal jobs – training angels for jobs

June 29 1996 Part 4 – Length 43:52
Jobs (cont.) – Christ Council – The Hierarchy – Brotherhoods – Superuniversal Diagrams – Language Guardian Angels – Extra Terrestrials – Tachion energy – standing forth

Note: In the July 4th section that follows Eric who was 12 at the time pops in from time to time. He was deeply into acronyms at that point and he throws out a few little things based on what Bestali has just said that may be confusing. Example; Bestali says process of processing and Eric say POP then he says Self imposed punishment and Eric throws out SIP and the whole group gets into a SIP of POP. You just need to be aware of that going on and you should be able to follow what’s happening.

July 4 1996 Part 1 – Length 47:08
Polarity – timeline – sleep time – new age? – new age face – universal forces/physics – completed souls – carry over souls – balance male/female – what’s my purpose – group experiences – probabilities and possibilities

July 4 1996 Part 2 – Length 48:02
Probabilities and possibilities (cont.) – father/son/holy ghost – perception – higher self/soul integration – law of grace – god/gender – character strengthening – life challenges – totems – gifts

July 4 1996 Part 3 – Length 47:58
Totems (cont.) – lessons – addictions – more on perspective and perception – sabotage – grounding – discernment – clarity – protection – trust – faith – ideal/perfection – perfect expression of God – standing forth – dependence/mates

July 4 1996 Part 4 – Length 2:41
Mates (cont.) – control

July 13 1996 Part 1 – Length 45:25
Fireworks experience – perception – power – control – discipline – kids as society’s responsibility – doubt – drama  self pity – sympathy – drama as a perspective – victimization – boredom – passion

July 13 1996 Part 2 – Length 48:03
Passion (cont.) – perspectives on age and aging – confusion – false feelings – change – justification – determinations – joy – approval – struggle – freedom vs. license – vulnerability

July 13 1996 Part 3 – Length 48:05
Vulnerability (cont.) – separation and wholeness – self worth – false beliefs – superstitions – fear – healing – ease/resistance/flow – obligation – grieving – abundance/lack – viewing self vs. the real you – medicine wheels

July 13 1996 Part 4 – Length 47:35
Medicine wheels (cont.) – traditions – nuclear energy and the planetary grid system – ET planetary systems – magnetics – exceptional Angels – our soul mate group

July 13 1996 Part 5 – Length 47:38
Our soul mate group (cont.) – the devolving of man – our solar system – our planet – the races and truth – integration of cultures

July 13 1996 Part 6 – Length 3:24
Living the New World now

July 28 1996 Discussion Part 1 & 2
 
Length of both parts together is about 1/2 hour. This half-hour or so is Tatiacha, Randy and Bev discussing these things;  They include:

Planet building – a little history of our solar system – recognizing and discerning teachers – going within  pendulums – miracles – confirmation

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From the Source and Back – The Cycle of a Spirit

A one day intensive with Ascended Master Bestali

Seattle Washington – April 6, 1991

1.  Creation of a Spirit from the Source.

            A.  Splitting of polarity creating the Eternal Love Tie.

            B.  Soul mates or twins.

2.  First life.

            A. The Physical Illusion / time.

            B.  Dharma.

            C.  Create your own reality / life choices.

            D.  Freewill.

            E.  Karma

            F.  Death

3.  Wheel of reincarnation.

            A.  Returning to balance karma.

            B.  Higher self.

            C.  Soul potential.

            D.  Mind / ego

            E.  Spirit guides.

4.  Levels of spiritual advancement.

            A.  Eternal life is 1-7.

            B.  To be a guide.

            C.  Walk-in’s.

5.  The goals of enlightenment.

            A.  Expectation and perception.

            B.  Judgement.

            C.  To live as an embodied spirit.

            D.  The classroom of Earth.

            E.  Unconditional love.

6.  What it means to ascend.

            A.  What is a Master / Archangel?

            B.  Choices of ascension.

                        1)  Return to the Source.

                        2)  A life as an animal.

                        3)  A job in spirit.

            C.  Spiritual Hierarchy.

                        1)  The brotherhoods.

                        2)  The Christ Council.

                        D.  The Master Incarnates.

• 7. The unlimited spirits ultimate return to the source.

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Channeling December 31, 1990

Seattle, Washington

Open forum with Bestali, Janetis & Serenticidi

Janetis:  Do you have questions

Alea:  It takes us a little while to get the kinks worked out. (Laughter

Janetis:  This is the eve of a new year.

Bill:  Yea, I have a question.  How do you deal with time?

Bestali:  We don’t.

Bill:  Well than how do you know this is the right time here?

Bestali:  Because we see what you guys are doing.  We know that you guys are following your little times, so we know where you’re at in time.  But where we’re at doesn’t make any difference.

Bill:  But, how do you tune into a particular time?

Bestali:  Well all we have to do is, tune into an energy, it doesn’t matter if it is the energy of a person or of a tree or anything else, and it will flow us into the time that it is existing within.

Bill:  But again, that doesn’t answer the question though.  How do you know the specific time when your not dealing with time?

Bestali:  Well you see I’m with Diane all the time.  I am her personal guide, so I’m always right here on her shoulder so I can, oh… I don’t want to say read her thoughts, because that’s not quite accurate.  I simply have awareness of what ever she’s thinking, and, so every thing within her awareness is also within mine.  And she watches the calendar and TV and all these things.

Bill:  So, as a personal guide are you only connected to this person, or are you connected to other people as well?

Bestali:  Well, at this particular time period in, your time of history, this is the only person that I am connected to, who is alive at this period of time but I’m existing at many times at once, so, there are many, many people that I’m connected to.

Bill:  uh huh, alright

Janetis:  If I may add just a little, Perhaps if you realize how much energy you give out to us, the connectivity here.  Everybody is saying it’s New Years Eve, this is the end of something and the beginning of something.  We of course, we pick up that, we know what you believe to be and we can be, what ever you believe to be.

Sherry:  I have a question: Do you have any insights or thoughts about what’s been going on in this particular Northwest region the last few months.  We’ve had several major natural catastrophes with the floods, and the bridge falling down, the weather and lots of accidents and the city being kind of strangled and out of commission for awhile.  What’s the purposeful good out of all of this?  Do you have any insight?

Bestali:  Well, the one thing I would say is that because you live in a particular area you are seeing these natural disasters in your area and sometimes they are overwhelming your news and it’s difficult for you to see that this is not the only place that this is going on.  All this flooding and things that are going on here; this South area of your country has been going through much flooding, and much similar storms also.  So, it’s not just the Northwest.  It is simply part of the Mother Earth going through her changes.  It’s more difficult I guess you would say in this time period when you have such a complex civilization, for these natural disasters because there was a time on the earth when people lived in simple tribes. And if it looked like the valley was going to flood, you just picked up your tipi and moved it up the hill.  But now you can’t do that with your houses and your roads, and so they seem to be more devastating, but only because you have built permanent structures.

Serentecidi:  We are at present in a time, as you know time to be on this plane, when there is much turmoil, in the physical manifestation of this planet.  These floods, the temperature changes, this snow, which is not common to this region, There are many reasons for this.  One of the most predominant is that the Earth, as a planet, and it’s consciousness, is going through an evolutionary change.  Just as mankind, each individual, is going through it’s own evolutionary growth, so to is the planet.  And it is building up to a cleansing for mankind, as we call ourselves on this planet, has caused much devastation to the planets consciousness.  There is much of this…  what is this term, nuclear waste, things of this nature, that just as it affects mankind in the physical body, so too does it affect the planet…  your garbage, this oil in the waters, many, many different things going on throughout the planet.  And it is simply working on cleansing itself of these, through the process that it goes through every so often in each evolution.  For if the planet were not to go through these cleansing phases, mankind as you know it would cease to exist,  for you would pollute yourself right out of a home so to speak.

Bestali:  A lot of times, things that you consider to be disasters, are not really a disaster at all.  You only consider them to be disasters because they destroy physical things that you place importance on, and if you have awful floods and big earth quakes and  all these things and no one dies, then is there really a disaster at all?  It’s only physical property and even if someone dies, truly is that a disaster?  They have simply gone home.  It’s only a disaster for those who choose to grieve.  So if you take your importance off the material issue, then there is no disaster.  If your home goes floating down the river, then you make a new home.

Ida:  Bestali, what do you see happening in the Middle East?

Bestali:  Oh boy you like to ask the tough questions huh? (Laughter) Well I would have to say, that at this current time the majority of the pathways are leading this country into a war in that area, and I find it very disturbing that there’s becoming less and less pathways that lead you away from that issue.  I would say that’s the most likely path.  And I think also the part that’s disturbing is the fact that it’s not a war that your country or your president perceives.  He perceives going in, and having a short time war with Iraq and taking back Kuwait, But the reality is that once that begins it’s going to become a larger issue because this Saddam Hussen is going to bring into it the issue of Israel.  He will take advantage of the situation to attack Israel if you start the war over there, and once that has been accomplished, you see, then he’s going to ally himself with other countries in the region, and of course your country is going to feel an obligation to protect Israel, as well as Egypt, who is very vulnerable in this situation.  So it becomes, what a, now seems like a little job of taking back Kuwait, turns into a big disaster in the war area.  Because there are many other countries such as Syria and Libya and ahh… Iran and these countries like these have been waiting for an opportunity to get back at the United States for what they perceive the United States has done to them.  So, they are going to jump on the band-wagon if given the opportunity, and he’s not going to turn them down.

Roy:  Is there still an opportunity for those, if the thoughts are put forward to bring about a peace in this area?

Bestali:  There’s always that opportunity.  The one problem that I foresee as far as that is that the consciousness of the people in the Middle East is a consciousness that desires war.  They are a warring people in that area and their consciousness is very strong.

Roy:  I heard someone say that there were people in this area that were brought in, that are of a fairly high consciousness that go in there and utilize their thought to try and alleviate the conflict.

Bestali:  There are those and good luck to them I say, I hope they are successful.

Roy:  My thoughts go with them too.

Bestali:  I want to say this man Baker (Secretary of State) is not one of them.

Serentecidi:  The dilemma that exists with this issue of trying to alleviate this issue of war, is there are many, such as those who are within this room, of like mind and like heart to where you wish peace and harmony within this planet for all mankind.  It is unfortunate, however, that you are what would perhaps be called on this planet a very vast minority.  The bulk of the people of your planet either are neutral, so to speak… do not have a feeling on the issue one way or the other, or very many have much anger within them.  Thus the energy they are putting out is the negativity and so, while those of us who are working with the light, are trying to bring forth love and peace upon the planet,  and do much to limit perhaps the full extent of this war, I do not believe at this point in the evolution of the planet and what is going on that there are enough of us to make this change to stop it completely.  But every thought, every prayer that we put out does indeed have an impact on the final outcome, so to speak.

Bill:  I think there is some positive.  What I’ve been hearing is all the negative aspects of the conflict or the, presumed conflict in the Middle East but there are some positive aspects as well.  Could you address yourself to that?

Bestali:  Well lets see, that for one thing it’s going to… on your monetary issue and your survival, it’s going to create a temporary boost in your economy that’s much needed, because your economy is headed for depression, and it’s going to stop that, as war always does. But, I think the most positive thing to look at, at this point is that you’ve overcome your problems with the Soviet Union.  And you have established a brotherhood with that country, that despite what ever happens in the Middle East, and how many of these leaders in the Middle East try to manipulate this situation, this bond between the Soviet Union and the United States would not be broken.  There is too much ah…  brotherhood that has been established, and I have to give credit for that to your former president Reagen, it’s probably the only positive thing he brought about for this country, was that relationship, and it’s going to be… it’s going to stop the world from the holocaust that would have happened if this conflict would have come about, say, 20 years ago.  It would have been a world holocaust,  but the Soviet Union is going through many problems of it’s own, as far as with hunger and things, and the United States is going to have to help them as much as they can, and that’s going to be a positive relationship there and hopefully the two super powers, as you call them, together are going to be able to create this war being short lived.

Bill:  Are there any other positive aspects to it?

Bestali:  I’m sure that on the personal level, for many people that their are some positive aspects to it, and I would say for, in the way of seeking, people seeking Spirit that it’s going to have a positive aspect, because many people, especially in this country have become very apathetic and materialistic, and having a conflict of this nature affecting their families and friends  is going to set them on a path of seeking Spirit, looking for questions and answers.  And that’s probably the most positive thing… is the personal level, the personal seeking that it sets people on…

Bill:  But, I haven’t heard you address the issue of cultural clash.  The Moslem culture is considerably different than our culture, and the introduction of our troops in that particular area is stirring up a lot of the cultural fixed ideas in the Muslim world and this could have a lot of positive changes in that particular part of the world.

Janetis:  I guess our perception is that it’s a transient thing… it’s a transient thing, they will be there, they will be gone.  The issues involved in what they perceive are religious practices are those foolish issues men get themselves into when they come on this plane It’s simply, they will argue among themselves and each will be… I’m right… they’re right, Bestali’s right – no, no – Serentecidi’s right – It’s Janetis is right.  We are all right… we are all one… and that’s the thing we must always remember.  That’s the message that we must always give out to whom we speak to, be it the Middle East people, be it here in the Seattle area.  We are one, and that’s the message of our group, our people of like mind.  That’s the message that will come across to the middle east as well as all over the planet.

Bestali:  I think that right now, this religious issue in that area is causing more conflict than any thing else.,  Your people from the United States, and England and the other countries that are part of the United Nations forces, are being put in a position where they don’t have the freedom to express there own religious beliefs and so very little are they being able to affect their culture, except for setting fear into them.  And it’s important to remember that the people who are living in that culture, although in many ways they are oppressed, have chosen to have that experience at this time.  And the world is going to come about it’s changes… I would say it’s going to be very quickly, the changes that are going to come about on this world, but it’s not going to be conflict free.  Because when the world gets turned upside down, so to speak, then people are going to be in confusion for a time.  Spirituality is always a…. It’s always a personal issue.

Roy:  Are we working towards a more global …  ah …. coming together of the people. (oh yes)  In other words are we going to break down the barriers where we’ll meet everyone as an equal, (yes) and look at them as a .. as a brother rather than some one from a foreign country?

Bestali:  We are working towards a time when there will be no countries, it will be planet Earth, and you will be Earthlings.

Sherry:  Will you talk about the role that the space brothers will play then, our space brothers and sisters.

Janetis:  I should be happy to!  I have said, we do have a list of predictions, we… we were asked to give .. ah ..unfortunately, those who own these bodies didn’t get to the copy place in time so we will … shall have them out sooner or later (laughter)  uhm… One of the things that I have said is that there will be in time some more discussion of Aliens and ah.. some more discussion about who is good, who is bad.  Ah… this has come up before.  Are you a good Alien or are you a bad Alien?  Ah … I am a good Alien   (laughter) 

Comment:  That’s what they all say.  (More laughter)

Janetis:  That’s what they all say… is correct   (additional laughter)  This is an issue that has been raised simply to confuse,  to… to cause problems for people.  ah…They like to confuse the issue because then it gives you something to spin on and you don’t, you are centered.  You can’t find your own answers and your own truth, because, you are too busy trying to decide are they black are they white.  Are they … what are they?  Ah, the Aliens here that are with your planet, those of my planet, those of the others, who are approved to be in this area, are all good, they are all helpful, they are all assigned to do different duties.   Those who are not, who are of the darker energies, simply do not effect us.  You are light people.  You will not attract dark energy as long as you maintain your light.

Bestali:  I would have to say of your earlier question whether an alien is light or dark, the question would be is it an Alien.  Because the Aliens you see, the ones who are in physical bodies and the ones who are surrounding this planet. There is… what we call a … a universal understanding, and that is … been effected, especially on this planet, that those who are in physical form are not allowed to leave there planet and travel to other planets, until they have come to a place of inner harmony on there own planet.  We don’t want them taking there negativity’s off to other places, and that’s why the space programs in the Unites States and the Soviet Union have been stalled, and stalled, and stalled with many different aspects happening because your not ready to go into space.  So if you meet a space brother in person,

you know that it’s someone of the light  (laughter)

Janetis:  How do you do  (more laughter) You may have other questions regarding the space brothers.  Um… They ah… they yes do have a part to play.  And there part is in fact in encouraging you to all find your inner truths and find your higher selves.  Ah to…. ah .. .do this with joy.  Do this with joy always.  Don’t listen to the news, the news is terrible.  I don’t listen to it.  I turn it off when they have it on at the house. It’s easy to do.  The space brothers are not set apart from you.  They are with you.  They are among you.  There are those here in this room who are in fact … brothers, sisters.

Sherry:  How do we know that we’re not part of that?

Janetis:  We don’t have to know that!  They know!

Bestali: On some level anyway.  Not necessarily consciously.

Janetis:  That I have a body, that I am originally from a different planet is of no use.  I am here now, I am on this planet.  I work with you.

Lori:  So if we want to communicate with them what is the best way to do that?

Janetis:  Say hello!  (Laughter)  They’re there.

Lori:  You say hello and you don’t get an answer back.

Janetis:  Oh?  But they always will answer.  You must tune your listening in so you hear the answer.  You will find the answer to come from the within you.  Also, you look without, you will find the Alien within as well.

Serentecidi:  There are different ways of communicating with those that you refer to as Aliens.  A simple process is in your meditation, through telepathy, or,…. most of those who are in the physical body, as you know it, alien to your planet, use telepathy rather than verbalizing their speech, so to speak.  So that is their normal form of communication.  It is, perhaps, a bit difficult at this time to communicate directly with them for their communication is at a very high level in most circumstances.  Therefore we must learn to elevate our energies, … to communicate with them.  Just as you would communicate with a guide or your highest self.  It is a very similar process.  There are those who are available to do automatic writing if you so desire.  It is a simple way for them to communicate also.  Those who are to meet them face to face, to use you terms of this plane, shall do so when the time is right.

Bestali:  Or you may have met some already.

Serentecidi:  Indeed.

Bestali:  Have you ever met somebody who could look right through you, and was reading your mind?  That was an Alien most likely.

Serentecidi:  Much of the role that they have to play, is, what you say, down the road a bit, for they shall be assisting you with new technologies.  That once the Earth cleanses herself, they shall be bringing new technologies, so you may not go through and do what you have done, collectively to the planet once more.  So you do not pollute, things of this nature.

Bestali:  Well they have to wait until you … you have gotten to a place on your planet where they can land without somebody capturing them and putting them in a little federal cell and ah …examining them and testing them, and prodding them because there not going to be able to give you any technology  that way.  And that’s where your government is right now.  They have done that in the past and if they get the opportunity they would do it again.  Because they are frightened that they want to take over the planet, which is silly.  They got their own planets.

Janetis:  Well… most do.  (Laughter)

Lori:  One of the pictures they had on the recent, oh.. I don’t know, the Star or the Inquirer had pictures of an Alien there.  Was that for real?  It was captured!

Serentecidi:  Was it a tall one?

Lori:  A tall one yea, it was quite silver looking.  They had pictures.  I don’t know if it was a hoax or whether it was for real but they had pictures on the front page and they said two weeks later that it escaped   (laughter)  I want to know is that for real?

Janetis:  You are asking the wrong people, you ask the people who put out the news.  Certainly they should know.

Lori:  Well, I’m not sure they would tell you.

Serentecidi:  To answer you perhaps indirectly.  The image that they project is indeed what you would refer to as a physical manifestation of a alien being.  They are what you know to be,.. or what we know to be the Salinian race from Salina.  They are very tall.  But the image of the face structure is not quite correct, for they are perhaps to say, very handsome,  even in the standards of Earth people.

Bestali:  Certainly not silver.

Serentecidi:  Indeed.

Lori:  Yea, this one was silver and they had it hand cuffed .

Serentecidi:  It is, it is close, but not correct but to say disinformation.

Janetis:  In this mind, it says, close but no cigar.  (Laughter)

Serentecidi:  But there are those, they are, six to seven feet, the Salinian race, and the short ones.  The ones two and one half to three feet that have the larger head and the large eyes, they are the Pentalites. They are the predominant race of Aliens, as you call them who are assisting your planet at this time in it’s evolution.  That is their role to play.  They are perhaps to say your sister planet.  That as they evolve, and you as a race evolve, you too shall have a sister plane and as you get beyond where you are at this point, you shall go and guide them as the Pentalites have assisted you and guided you through your evolution to this point.

Bestali:  Well you’ve got a little while to get ready for that because the planet that is the sister planet for Earth is in what you called cave man times, according to your histories.  So it’s going to be awhile before they’re ready for any Alien helpers

Roy:  You spoke about a truth just now.  What is the common truth that there is between the different planets and ours?  There has to be a common bond.  What is this?

Janetis:  The common bond between the planets, between the people is one.

Roy:  That there’s one god.

Bestali:  Oh yes.

Janetis:  That there’s one everything.  We are all one.

Roy:  That there’s no separation.

Janetis:  There is no separation

Bestali:  If you would take one person or one planet away then your god is incomplete.

Janetis:  Or one atom.  There is no separation.

Ida:  Is President Bush getting any good advice?

Bestali:  I wish that he was!

Janetis:  I think there are some that are advising well.

Bestali:  He simply chooses to ignore them.

Ida:  Should we have just let the United Nations try to handle the police business or should we have not gotten involved or what?

Bestali:  Well, if you had not gotten involved …. you would have ah …avoided war by doing that, but you also would have put yourself in a situation ,down the line there ,where Saddam Hussen would have controlled the oil of the world, because he would have continued on his rampage the he’s doing.  So any way you look at it, it was going to affect your every day life and your community, because if it wasn’t war it would be your gas prices, and your heating oil and everything else.

Janetis:  It will be all right.   Do not fear.

Roy:  Aren’t the larger issues more political than ah… anything else.

Bestali:  Oh yes.

Janetis:  Men fight for all reasons.

Roy:  Mainly political (laughter)

Janetis:  We should change that, right?

Roy:  That’s right.  It’s where we want to head towards but it’s a difficult road at this stage.

Janetis:  To see white we must have black.  Remember that.

Bestali:  Well you see this war in the short term is going to be very good for all your presidents personal interests, because he’s a oil man and his friends are oil men.

Roy:  That’s one reason he went into it – was to create, or to bring the economy up.  That was his reason for it .

Bestali:  And if you can’t get ah… oil from the Middle East, because there’s war going on then your oil people in Texas and all these other places are going to have to pump more and their going to get rich as the prices go up, and that is what Bush is.  He’s one of the oil men and it’s the other oil men that put him into office.  But that’s ok,  his term is almost over.  (Laughter)

Erika:  So what are the good things that will happen to us in the coming year?  Positive ones.

Janetis:  You shall know more Spirit.  (Laughter)  That’s good.

Bestali:  Well I think that you are all creating a lot of positivity for yourselves personally.  And I would have to say, that if nothing else, your going to have a very clear picture that President Bush is only someone that your going to vote out of office.  And when you make this choice there is somebody who… he’s unknown to the political arena at this time, and will remain unknown until kind of the last minute, who is going to make a very good president, for difficult times…. very spiritual.

Janetis:  You will feel personally more energies.  They’re coming.  They have been coming.  They shall increase, there shall be more.  More, more and more people coming to the fore that you…. Many of you in this room have channeled entities that you speak through… or .. that speak through you.  This will increase.  There are many, many here in spirit speaking now.  You will have many points of view to listen to, and you know all of you this one is the best and the only one to finally understand your own perceptions.  I say you take what Bestali says, what Serentecidi says, you take what all the other entities say and you play it in your own heart, in your own higher self.  You play it against you and then you know the truth.  Always.  There will be much commotion in this next year.  But there will be much love as well.  We can always turn our face to what ever side we wish.  I will turn my face to joy.

Bestali:  I think that you are going to find as these  little things happen, as you see, with your floods and these little natural disasters, as you call them, happen, you’re going to find your community becoming stronger with it’s relationships, instead of everybody living their little separate lives, and going to their little jobs and going home and ignoring each other.  You’re going to find that there going to be forced to pull together and that’s the most positive thing of all.  When you find people who have lost their homes, and other people out of no-where are taking clothes out of their closet, and shoes off their feet and giving these people warm blankets and what they need, and your going to see more and more of that… people acting like brothers and sisters like they should;  treating each other with respect and love, instead of pretending your not part of the same thing – that you’re not both God.

Janetis:  And as a wise one once said,  “and they tell two more, and they tell two more, and they tell two more,” and pretty soon we are together.  And the world, all of us together will be harmony, will be love.

Bestali:  One very positive thing that I see coming about, in this next year especially is many of the elders and great shamans of your Native American tribes, who have been staying on their reservations and simply working with their own people are going to… oh… go public maybe your going to say.  And they are going to come forth with their ancient teachings, and share them, and their ways of life and they are going to help to rid the separation between the races.

Lori:  What about the banking system, they’ve been talking about it’s getting pretty shaky.  What do you see happening with that?

Bestali:  Oh, it’s going to remain shaky for awhile before it goes eventually.  It’s going to…. Oh you say your little banks. You’ve got many little banks and they’re going to go off one by one by one.  So, it’s going to take some time, so I would say… If you’ve got a lot of business to do with the bank, I would research the bank that your dealing with, and make sure that they are solid at this time, because some will go, but it’s not time for them all to go yet.

Lori:  That’s coming later then.

Sherry:  Will silver or gold be a wise means of investment … ah exchange?

Bestali:  There will be a time that they would be used for exchanges, but I would say that the one thing I would think people should do, is to have a skill that is worth bartering for.  Because barter is going to be more prevalent than exchange of physical items.  Maybe your going to take care of somebody that’s sick, and they’re going to give you food.  Things like this.  Find skills.  If you know how to cook, and how to can and sew and other things that are … or if you know how to garden, things like this, that’s going to be more valuable than anything material.

Janetis:  For those of you who are in this room, as we have said before, are teachers.  You are the teachers of the teachers, you are the teachers that are going to go out and the people that are here in this particular area of the Northwest have come here as a learning. …. Some of you were born here, some have come from other places.  You are here. ..  This is the university here.  You come here, you are taught, and you will move around, you will disperse your teachings to all.  It’s a very important calling.  You have all been called, and you have all answered.  I see all of you here.  I know you.  I’ve seen all of you in class.  (Laughter.)  You certainly have woken up in the middle of the night and can say… why am I in class…  and have the awareness that you have been in some kind of formal class.  If you haven’t had this experience, you will!

Gloria:  Will you speak on the Ashtar command.  What is it?   How does it serve?

Janetis:  There are two commands.  One is Ashtar, and one is Ishtar.  They are but reflections one of another.  They serve in the same ways that I spoke of prior to this.  They serve as any Alien would serve in assisting this planet.   They are not ever to interfere with the planet.   They are not ever to tell the planet… or… those upon this planet what it is they are to do.  That is not their priority, that is not something they are allowed to do by universal law.  They assist as needed.  Their roles will be more in the future than they are right now.  They are just space keeping at this point in time.

Bestali:  You see they can only do what your earth consciousness gives them permission to do.  So if any Alien group is going to tell you that they’re going to intercede in the governments or try to stop a war or something, that’s not within their rights.  All they can do is observe and try to disseminate wisdom.  They don’t have the right to interfere, unless you give them permission to interfere, and that would be pretty foolish, because it’s your planet

Gloria:  Could you talk about disease on this planet and it’s purpose, like the aids, cancer and some of the other devastating disease that are here now?

Bestali:  Most of them are simply ways you have chosen to balance out karmic situations that you have.  Oh… many of them you created on this planet for what you call character strengthening.   That you can, oh … merely suffer with something for many years, and then rid yourself of it when you are ready, and through this suffering, you become very strong to take on what ever role you’ve come to play out, because this is simply role playing.  It’s all illusion, and so there is truly no devastation.  You can choose…. You know when you have your doctors, and they tell you your terminally ill.  Well… what does that mean, because everybody’s terminally ill.  (Laughter)    There just in a body for a little while and then it’s going to be gone when your ready for it to be gone.  So, if somebody tells you, you have cancer and your going to die, say well, .. that’s going to be my choice isn’t it.  I can either choose to accept the cancer in my body and die, or I can choose to heal myself and go on to do other things.  So it’s choice, and including this disease of Aids.

Gloria:  So then is contagion a reality or something you create for yourself?

Bestali:  It exists within your atoms.  But, you see, you can have someone who’s contagious, and two people…. maybe he’s contagious and these two ladies are sitting next to him, and maybe ones going to get sick and the others not, even though they were both next to someone contagious.  So it is all choice, whether you choose to experience it or not.

Serentecidi:  Much of this contagious factor, as you call it, perhaps is involved with the collective consciousness of the people of the planet.  For if something is said to be contagious, and the majority of the people of the planet accept that definition, that is what it becomes.

Lori:  Why would someone choose to have Alzheimer’s?  If they don’t remember they can’t mentally take care of them self.

Bestali:  The same reason that somebody would choose to experience any other kind of disease, and in the case of Alzheimer’s I would have to say … who’s karma is being balanced ?  Is it the person with the

Alzheimer’s or the family of the person, because the family is the one doing the most suffering?  So these things are almost always prearranged in Spirit,. You know that your choosing your family and your coming together with a purpose and you have things to work out together and maybe the one person says well if I have Alzheimer’s, at this point in my life, then it’s going to strengthen all of you, and then I’ll pass on and then you’ll go on being stronger people to follow your own path.

Roy:  So this raises another question.  When little children get ill, they don’t consciously take this on themselves, where does it come from.

Bestali:  Oh.. You obviously take it on upon yourselves.

Roy:  The little children as well?

Bestali:  Of course, of course.

Janetis:  The plan is made before your birthed.  You decide how your life is going to be.  What experiences you wish to have on this plane.  That’s a decision made before birth especially in terms of yes, I’m going to have ah… I’m going to return to Spirit at this time in my life.

Roy:  That part I understand, but, looking at the little child and knowing how close it is to Spirit at that stage, how then can it accept this virus into itself at that particular stage.

Janetis:  Because, it’s all the Earth experience they have chosen.

Roy:  In other words they wanted that experience at that particular time.

Janetis:  Many people who choose to come in as walk-ins, come in, in that very fashion.  Where the two get together prior to the birthing and decide that this is all the experience I wish in this life and you may then take the body and you may then continue with your mission.  That happens a lot.

Sherry:  I’d like to say something regarding this choice.  I think for us in the metaphysical community it’s important to remember that it’s choice with a capital C, not a small c.  It’s not a personality choice that a seven year old would choose bone marrow cancer or something like that.  It’s the Soul choice…because I hear us in the community say why did you break your leg?  Why did you do that like it’s … putting guilt and blame on the individual.  I think we have to be careful about not putting guilt, and blame and shame on the individual that experiences some level of suffering.  Granted, it is Soul chosen but the personality didn’t choose it.  Do you see what I mean?  Do you agree with this?

Janetis:  That’s truth

Bestali:  Yes,  there’s a fine line between placing the guilt and then ah… allowing them to not take self responsibility – very fine line in that, because you don’t want to say to everybody, you get to a point where your just an uncaring person, if you say, well so what, you broke your leg big deal.  You know you want to show some compassion and some love for other people even though you know they made their choices.

Erika:  So then what do we do… like I work with the leukemia patients.  In the case of they think it’s leukemia because of pre arranged.  Now they do a total radiation to their body, and then we give them new bone marrow and many of them live.  What did that whole turn about now do to their plan, because this whole thing was done to them.

Janetis:  Their plan was never to pass over to Spirit.  Their plan was to continue to live.

Bestali:  You can’t make somebody live who’s ready to go.  So if they’re choosing to have the radiation and do get well it’s because they’re choosing to get well.  They’re not ready to go.  You can’t force someone to stay on the planet who wants to go home.  They’re gonna find a way.

Erika:  So, in that case, it sounds like we don’t give any credit to the medical community.

Bestali:  Well, I say that it doesn’t matter whether it’s a medical doctor, or whether it’s a spiritual healer, or what it is, they are all tools, that’s all.  Healers are tools,  whether they be doctors or whether they be herbs or whatever, because ultimately you are responsible for healing yourself and if you allow somebody to offer you energy and you take the energy, the gift that they have give you and you, use that energy to heal yourself, that’s wonderful.  But you can choose not to accept that, or you can choose the treatment a doctor gives you, to be healing for you.  But ultimately it’s the individual’s choice.  There’s no such thing actually – what is as the word, the way you use it, as a healer, because you can’t heal another, you can only gift them with energy

Ida:  Would it be good to do daily meditations?

Janetis:  It would benefit everyone to meditate, to dialog with Higher Self.  It’s very important, the most important thing you can do is listen to Higher Self, and to dialog, to ask these questions – you have of your own truth – that of Higher Self, greater self, however you choose to identify that part of you, that is your God self.  You asked the questions on a daily basis, regarding your life, regarding what you see on the television, regarding anything you choose, yes?  Daily meditation yes!

Bestali:  The hardest part to remember is to trust the answers that you get.  So many of you are very connected with your Higher Selves,  and you ask the question and get the answer and you say that’s just me.  (Laughter)  That’s nothing… you write it off.  You must trust what you get.  More than you trust anybody else, trust what you get there.

Serentecidi:  Most people on this plane spend much of their time as you call it, scurrying about, keeping the mind preoccupied with the material world issues of their life.  And for a person whether it is through meditation or just quieting…  finding a quiet time for them self, that is what is important for them.  If they meditate that is a very efficient means.  If they just find a quiet time for them self, that too is efficient, for it allows them to put aside the material world, and look within, and that is where you find your answers.

Bestali:  Most of you take showers every day and I found that ah… when we first began to contact with Diane, the shower is a very conductive place, because of the water washing over the body.  Communication in this shower is very easy to achieve and if it’s something you do every day anyway, you might as well listen to your Higher Self, while your washing your hair.  (Laughter

Ida:  Bestali, I have a problem of programming right now because our other guest is going to have to be leaving us.  So um … were going to go back into meditation a little later, but I’d like to have us break for about 5 minutes.

Bestali:  All right.

Gloria:  Can I just ask one quick thing Ida?

Ida:  If it’s very quick.

Gloria:  On the new movie Dances with Wolves, is that part of the healing between the Native Americans and the other people on this nation?

Serentecidi:  Very much so, especially for those of you of the White or the Caucasian race.  For there is much confusion between the Native Americans and the Caucasians for it is perception.  The Whites perceive the Indian to be this savage.  The Indians perceive the White to be the savage.  (Laughter)   For the natives were here, doing what they did very peacefully, in harmony with all their surroundings – the animals, the trees, all that is.  In came the White man, not understanding who they were and what their connection with the Great Spirit was.  They came in ignorant, so to speak, on that issue as far as the native’s perspective and went about kicking them out of their property, things of this nature, so there is much conflict.  This movie and many other things, that shall be coming up, are a way of breaking the ice, so to speak, for those of you of the White race as well as many of the others, to see the native for who they were and who they are.  For the natives were not this savage being, but were extremely spiritual, very loving people.  That is who they are at this point, though much of the experience of the native is very jaded, for the same reason that the whites perceive that the Indian is to be nothing but drunken bums.  The natives are going through the same thing, but on the other side of the coin.  This shall help to bring the unity between all races.

Gloria:  That’s a very good bridge

Serentecidi:  Indeed.  We are very pleased, and there shall be many more things of this nature to come.

Collective group: Thank you, thank  you

Myrtle:  Thank you for helping us to look within our soul to flower more.

Janetis:  We wish you all light and love

Lori:  Thank you for being here.

Bestali:  I think I’m going to stay around for the meditation.  (Laughter  …  You’re back now?  (To Randy)

Randy:  Yea, That was kind of a crash landing.

Bestali:  You were kinda far away.

Randy:  Yea, out there somewhere.

October 13, 1990

Seattle Washington

Open Forum with Bestali, Tohakwa & Janetis

Roy:  We are all part of the Father.

Tohakwa:  Indeed.  For you see the difference, as you perceive it to be, is simply, the shell that one uses to experience what you perceive to be life.   But if you look on this life as but a school, that is more accurate.  For the Earth plane,as you call it, has been around for many millions of years, so too has humanity  as you call yourself, homosapien.  To spend 60 or 80 years in a physical form seems like a very long time while you are there.  But to look on it from the perspective of how long you have been a consciousness, separate from the Father, it is but a minute speck.

Roy:  We place so much emphasis on the minute speck instead of looking at the whole.

Tohakwa:  Indeed

Janetis:  This is a wise person here, very wise person.  We are Indian, We are Alien, we are Bestali  (laughter)   We are one

Ida:  Can you tell me if it’s the Aliens that have had anything to do with these strange circles and lines that are appearing?

Bestali: (laughs)  Of course they do.  You know the answer to that question.

Ida:  What’s the reason for them?

Janetis:  People wish to see, let them see. 

Tohakwa:  It is a simple way, perhaps, for them to help those who are questioning, those who, perhaps, doubt their existence…to place upon the earth something that cannot be explained upon by your scientists, things of that nature.  So, they must look beyond what they, at this time, understand…to come to a conclusion so to speak.

Mike:  Aren’t we also being given some very important information?

Tohakwa:  There is much more than meets the eye.

Lori:  Are these symbols of a communication?

Tohakwa:  There is one that was on this television, this 20 /20  program I believe, where it shows a very long hieroglyph, I believe is your term.  It has great importance.  And when mankind comes to understand what it means, it shall open many doors, for those who have created it, to come and speak with you, as you would say, perhaps, face to face, but if they were to come now to meet with your president (Bestali giggles)  they would be captured,  and have much testing and things of that nature.  So they simply bide there time for things to evolve, so to speak.

Bestali:  Oh, they’ve already tried that.  Your government has already had a few Aliens before.

Mike:  To what effect?  What happened to those Aliens?

Bestali:  Oh, eventually they passed away.

Mike:  Are you referring to hanger 18?

Bestali:  For one yes.

Mike:  What about the Philadelphia experiment?

Bestali:  Oh, that’s kind of a … oh, what would you call that on this plane?  Oh, .. can’t think of the right word.  Oh, maybe they really mucked that up.  It started out to be … oh .. the seeking of information. But yes, they ended up in contact with Aliens and it was a bit too overwhelming the whole thing was .  They had space ships, yes.  They have captured many things.  But your never going to find out about it, because your government is going to go down hill before those records ever get found by anybody…at least the ones that are left.  Most of the records have been destroyed.  They don’t want anybody to know how badly they’ve screwed things up with the aliens.  Now, they’re afraid of the Aliens.

Janetis:  Why would anybody be afraid of an Alien, .. I ask?  We are good.  We are bright.  We don’t harm a.thing… not a person.  We may not, .. no Alien may come and harm you.  That’s not within universal law.  Some may come that are not contributing.  They look .  They are not allowed to harm

Mike:  They know better.

Janetis:  Of course.

Erika:  Then what do you call the books that have been written about the medical testing of mankind.  (the entities all laugh)

Tohakwa:  Fear!  For you see many of those people who have been tested, it was arranged prior to their birth.  For many of them are indeed Aliens, as you would call the souls, so to speak, and many of them, if they were to deal with the experience consciously fully aware, they would, die of fear, for it would be too overwhelming for them.  So, they are given, what you on your plane refer to as a hallucinogenic drug, which has no ill side effect to the physical form, but here (pointing to the head) distorts what indeed, was the case.  So, these horrible experiences… Yes, there was some poking and prodding experiments agreed upon prior to the transition, but not these horrible experiences as they are perceived.

Janetis:  It is a night mare, as you say.  Similar to that.

Ida:  There’s a Doctor Kennedy in town that is saying that if he has a way of looking at your aura through Kirlian photography I believe, and he says he can identify star people Do you know….

Erika:  No, not the aura, it’s with your finger he takes a … You put your finger on the … You do it with your finger

Ida:  Do you have any comment on that?

Bestali:  It is possible that you could identify some, but not all.  Because most of these,.. What if you would term  them alien souls would come in to one of your earth bodies, have different .. oh .. characteristics.  Usually their temperature is lower than normal, somethings like this that would allow them to emit differences in their aura’s,  but some are not that different, so you wouldn’t be able to tell.

Janetis:  There are many who have walked in so to speak.  You could not tell those

Ida:  Can you tell when you look at an audience?

Bestali:  Oh, of course, we know who’s who. (laughter)

Janetis:  You are, you are not.  It this what you wish?  (additional laughter)  We will not, of course, do that.

Ida:  Oh you won’t?

Janetis:  Our focus is to show you, you are all one, not that you are all separate, and you are all different.  We are here, we are here together.  This is one planet.  We are all here together.  We are all one.  That’s our focus.

Ida:  Well, do they come in to do a special work?

Janetis:  Yes

Bestali:  They come in to teach you that we are all one.  That’s what they are coming to do, and also they are coming because they have lots of experience in your earth changes on other planets.  And so when all your earth people …. Some of you have been through like earth changes like this before, some haven’t.  Some of you are going to panic.  That’s why the space people are here because they’re going to be the ones that are going to be calm and collected and they’re going to hold hand and tell everybody that everything’s going to be OK.  And they’re going to help you start to rebuild.

Janetis:  When you look up, you see Bestali, you see Janetis you know all is well, and Tohakwa, the Indian standing there.  It would be fine.

Erika:  I have a question for the Indian.  I just came back from a reservation in North Dakota and it really saddened my heart to see…. I couldn’t find what happened to their spirit and their belief.

Tohakwa:  It is there.  But, just like the rest of society, what you would perhaps refer to as a white man society…there are many minorities, the Indians are simply one, who are perceive by many, as less than the others.  But, to speak of your question.  The Soul or the Spirit, the truth of which they know, is held tightly by a very small group, predominately the elders and few others in each of the major tribes; for many of the others have, in the course of their lifetimes, have looked upon the wisdom of their elders, and looked upon the opportunity, as it is perceived of the white man’s world, and they have chosen to go out into this high tech civilization, as it is referred to, to try and make things happen there.  To blend, and to become one with the masses ,so to speak, rather than living in a situation on the reservation that is less than what they perceive to be acceptable, for they have lost the truth in their heart.  There are many in this room.  There are many who are part of this new age community, who are perhaps more Indian in their heart, than those of that bloodline, for that is where Indian is.  It is not the color of your skin, or what is in your blood, but what is in your heart.

Myrtle:  To come back to the earth changes for a moment please.  Are we about to experience the flipping of the earths axis?

Bestali:  I would not say a flipping, it’s going to be about a 15 degree shift.  It has been a very long time since this earth has felt the need to do a complete flip flop.  (laughter)

Roy:  But, it has happened before, where they’ve done a full 180 degrees?

Bestali:  Oh, yes.

Mike:  What if there was a massive effort to heal, and clean up the toxicity, and do all of that?

Janetis:  Oh, my, that would be wonderful.

Mike:  It’s pretty easy to do you know !

Janetis:  But, that would not stop the evolution.

Bestali:  It has come past that point now.  If you would have made that massive effort before you created the nuclear weapons and nuclear fallout, that’s going to take a million years to heal, things like this… then it would have been soon enough that you would have perhaps delayed the shift, but, the shift is inevitable, because, it is natural earth evolution.  Simply, the same as you cannot stop a woman from starting her period when she gets to be a teenager…it’s no different, the Earth has it’s own evolution.  You cannot stop menopause from coming.

Mike:  The whole galaxy has it’s own evolution, but ah… those nuclear fallout areas in Russia are just awesome…100 square miles of nuclear waste!  Those things can literally be altered in seconds with the right kind of energy.

Tohakwa:  Indeed, in this reference to your problem on the Earth with that thought is that mankind has a whole…the total of the people.  Their mind set is not far enough advanced, into the light, to make a change of that nature possible.  For to look at this Middle East, as you call it, is a good example of the mind set of the majority of the people on the planet at this time.  Those who are working in the light are a very very small minority of minorities, growing very quickly, and making many changes, yes.  Doing many wonderful things, but, a very small minority at this time…and so theEarth Mother in her wisdom as a consciousness, has chosen to make adjustments at this time, as the people are making adjustments, so, that at the time of the shift, as you would call it, those who are of the light shall be where they need to be, and all may start in peace and harmony, with light and love, as it should be.

Bestali:  Because, you also have a big problem, on your planet right now, called over population.

Mike:  That’s because of the way we generate our energy .

Bestali:  There’s too many people on the planet.  And ah, no matter how you generate your energy, there’s just too many bodies.  And there’s too many bodies to feed, and there’s too many bodies that are creating more bodies, and there’s not enough room for the animals, and not enough space for the trees to grow…things like this.  And, that is also another reason why theEarth has it’s evolution that it shifts.  It lowers the population, and allows it to grow over again.  Changes the soil.  Because, you get new soil that has come up and is fresh and can grow the prettiest trees.  You’ve never seen the trees as pretty as they could grow.  Or maybe I shouldn’t say never, but it’s been about 12,000 years, if you were here at the time.  (laughter)

Janetis:  It should not be something of fear.  Oh yes, you will get use to changes in the earth as they come.  They are coming.  You see that around you, you read that in the news.  It is happening, it is now.

Myrtle:  I guess we’re here because we wanted to be here for these changes!

Janetis:  Of course, of course.  It’s part of your experience.

Bestali:  Oh yes.  We have great respect for the people who have come and especially the ones who are planning on surviving these changes…because, it’s a difficult decision to make to go through something like that.  I’ve done it before on one of your earth shifts and I wouldn’t want to do it again.  (laughter)  Once was enough.  So we have great respect for those who are here to do this.

Lori:  When this Earth shift occurs, is it sudden, or does it take place over many years?

Bestali:  There are some things that are both.  Right now, the consciousness part, of course, is shifting over many years, and it is accelerating quickly, and what we have … is called a split in polarity, that as the light grows, and the changes from the Earth, there are many of you who are going towards the light and there are others who are spiraling downward, as you can tell as this increases your crime, and your violence and these things.  The actual shift of the axis will happen quite quickly.  It will be proceeded by many earthquakes, and many volcanos, then the shift will happen, in a matter of approximately 5 days, it will take place.  Where you will have pretty much, oh I don’t want to say constant, but, many Earth quakes small and large during those 5 days and then depending on where you are, with everything that is going up into the atmosphere, you will experience about 30 to 60 days of rain; many things falling from the skies.  But then, the skies will clear up, the rain will clear the skies, and then you’ll begin anew.  Omly you will build new homes.

Lori:  Most of the homes will be destroyed during that time?

Bestali:  Oh, it depends upon the type of home and where it is.  That’s one of the things also the Aliens are doing here.  They’re teaching you how to build homes that are going to survive it easily…teach you how to grow food year round in green houses, things like this.  Things to get you through the interim period

Ida:  How do you feel about this house?  (Laughter)

Bestali:  I think the location isn’t real good.

Ida:  A little too low?

Mike:  Not if you have a real long snorkel.  (laughter)

Ida:  I want my husband to hear this.

Tohakwa:  I believe the term he uses would be applicable, as far as what you would call this long snorkel (laughter)  It shall be quite wet.(laughter).

Ida:  Is that because of the ocean rising or because of all the rain?

Tohakwa:  There are many places, at the time of this shift, as you know, this area of Atlantis, and this area of what you call Lemuria, at the time of the shift, they shall come out of the seas and the oceans.  It is simple water displacement.  So, areas that are sea level as you call it will be submerged, and areas that are currently under water shall be surfaced and that is how your fresh soil… things of that nature shall come about.

Ida:  So, when would you say would be a good, advantageous time to sell?  (laughter)

Janetis:  I would say, soon.

Mike: Well soon, well,  .. within … well…. when is this going to happen 10 years?

Bestali:  Oh it’s less than 10 years now.  Everybody been saying ten years for quite awhile and they never want to go to 9 or 8.  (laughter)   Suffice it to say, you’ll be where you need to be because you’ll follow your heart  and that going to take you where you need to be, and incidently, El Paso’s going to be a safe area  (laughter) 

Lori:  Is this going to be a safe area?

Bestali:  No, this general area will be water.

Tohakwa:  It shall not be to far from the coast.

Ida:  Where do you see the coastline?

Bestali:  The coast line will be part of Montana, and what is that one, Colorado will be safe, Arizona, New Mexico, Part of Texas, Part of Nebraska, Wyoming.

Erika:  What I can’t understand in all this now, is I’m really against panicking people.  I’m having a hard time listening to this, OK.  If it’s a natural occurrence and ,so, and if we have to weed out people, let them be innocent going into  instead of people not all being scared that only the light workers are going.  They’re better than us.

Bestali:  Oh no, it’s all choice, everyone here on Earth if we did a regression or progression or whatever on anybody on the planet you know whether your going to  come or go You make your choices, before you come into your body, so there’s no reason to be scared, and if your going to go, your just going home.  What’s to be scared about that?  That’s the natural place where you are.

Erika:  That’s for you.  Your not in my body.  (laughter)

Roy:  When we move into the change, what’s going to happen to the violence and hatred that we’ve had here for so long.  This has to be dissipated, before we can really move forward.  How do we dissipate this so we can really move forward…so, we know we’re moving into a better world and not bringing it with us again?

Bestali:  Well, first of all, there’s going to be a period where you’re not really going to be able to think about that, because, your going to be too busy trying to grow food and build houses, and get everybody  homes, and try to do things like that you see, so, it’s not going to be…..  Oh, right now, a lot of your violence is happening because people are bored.  You know, they are looking for something to do, and they’re just going to just sit and whine about their life instead of doing something about it.  You know you’ve got the kids, and they think, well, I was born into this awful life, and that gives me a reason why I should just do something to other people, cause I’m mad, and I don’t like my life, so, I’m just going to do what ever I want and to heck with the consequences…but there’s not going to be any time for that. 

If you look back to, oh …   the first settlers that were here.  They came out to this western part of the country.  The ones that were honestly out here to take care of themselves, you didn’t have any of that, because, they were too busy building themselves a home, or these ones you call the mountain men, they were building cabins, and they were doing trading, and they were just surviving.  It wasn’t’ until they got established out here, that you got your gun slingers and all these guys come out cause they didn’t have nothing better to do than drink, and steal other from people.  So, there’s going to be a time period, in which your just going to be very busy.  And during that time there’s going to be a lot of people doing a lot of teaching, and that’s going to be their main focus, and they’re going to be teaching people about Spirit, and about choices, that you came in with choices, and about self responsibility, because, of course, you are all responsible for every action or every thought that you do.  And it may not come around in this life, but it will come around because you will bring it around to yourself, not because somebody’s going to do something to you.  But because you … Oh, I don’t even want to use the word punish, because, it’s not a good word, but, you take care of things yourself.  What you do, you make sure comes back to you, or your Higher Self, I guess, is the best word to put. 

But old Tohakwa up here you see; Tohakwa we like to use as an example because he is the Higher Self and he’s got a potential. that is what we call those of you who are here on Earth.  Right now he has one living in Arizona, and it’s his job, you might say, to kind of keep an eye on him, and if somethings not going right, he kicks him a little bit in the behind.  He has to, or he creates things for him.  They create together.  To make sure that he learns the things that he needs to learn.  Now what some people don’t understand is that, although Tohakwa only has one person on the Earth right now, with your population being what it is, he could have 5.  Or he could have 4.  He could have many simultaneously.  And if he did he’d be a lot busier than he is.  He’d be kicking all kinds of little behinds (laughter)  Well, so, everything you bring around to yourself and this teachings, there’s going to be some people, after the changes that, it will be the focus of their lives to teach the others about Spirit, so that as you come out of this time, where you’re just surviving, your going to learn to worship in your own ways   Instead of worshiping in churches and stuff, you just worship in any way that you want to worship.  You won’t need to have this dogma anymore, because the thing that is going to be taught, above and beyond everything else, is how to contact your own Higher Selves, because that’s the most important thing.  Your Higher Self and your guide and everybody’s got one or more.  Only one higher self.  But, some people have many guides; (Although you only have one primary life guide.).  Some only have one, and the Angels are always available.

Lori:  Why doesn’t each person have their own Higher Self.  Why would they have oneHigher Self be for five people?

Bestali:  Oh, you do!  Oh, you see but it’s not ah….5 people, it’s 5 parts of you.  (Expressing as 5 people, or having 5 experiences simotaniously,so to speak)

Lori:  Oh, I see.

Bestali:  You see, it’s just the Higher Self.  One way we like to explain it is, Let’s say the Higher Self is a big pitcher of water, and you pour out 2 or 3 glasses out there, and while their down there, maybe this one got a little iron in it and maybe this one got some salt in it and they are just experiencing and then they come back, and you pour them back in the picture of water, and the pitcher of water is never the same again, it is changed forever, because of that glass of water, and that glass of water, but they’re all connected, and what happens to this glass of water over here, may make this one cry for no reason, out of nowhere, because the emotion … maybe this person over here lost their husband and is experiencing great grief.  Maybe this one’s having a bad day and starts crying for no reason.  It may be because of that connection there.  They’re picking up on overflow of emotion from this person who lost her husband .  So, maybe, that’s sometimes when you just have days where you throw up your arms, and you lay down and cry for no reason, you think it’s no reason.  It may be because you’ve got another part of you that’s experiencing something that’s pretty rough.  It’s just, how else are you going to take care of this great population, you have on the Earth.  You keep birthing more bodies than you’ve got Souls to fill up.

Erika:  Yeah, but, then telling people to go to Montana is a big exodus, and then you still have the same population, only living in a different place. (laughter)

Bestali:  Oh no, we don’t tell people to go anywhere.  See because we .. this … That would be like if we told you that the Earth changes were going to happen on this date.  Oh, we were not going to do that because they’re going to happen, when they happen, and your going to be where you need to be, and you just have to trust in your own higher self to make sure you are where you are suppose to be.  We don’t want everybody to be rushing off.

Bobby:  No body would believe you anyway.  They’d sit right where their at.

Erika:  No, people are already moving.  That’s why I’m saying it.

Bobby:  There’s a lot more people moving in than out.

Erika:  They’re from California because they’re just as bad off as we are.

Mike:  Montana’s losing population mainly.  They’d be happy to hear about you guys.  (laughter)

Lori:  How accurate is that map, I am America?

Bestali:  I don’t believe I’m familiar with this map.

Ida:  If I show it to you, could you tell?

Lori:  Do you have it?

Ida:  I don’t have the big one.

Tohakwa:  In reference to the question of all these people moving to Montana, or what is referred to as a safe area.  It is very important to remember that each Soul or Potential – aspect, what ever the term you wish to use, each human being, in the physical form, has already made a choice whether they would survive or not .  So, even if all the population moved there, those who have chosen to return to Spirit would do so, for that was their choice   the choice of the Higher Self.

Erika:  So, nobody has to move even when they think they should?

Tohakwa:  Those, .. Those who feel in their heart that yes, they need to move, they shall move.

Roy:  Only if it’s done with love in your heart and not out of  fear.

Bestali:  Yes.  Because you know what’s going to happen if you just .. Let’s say you move to Arizona, because your afraid of all these things that were going to happen, even though you were not planning on surviving.  Oh, you’d probably have relatives back here that you come to visit, when the shift happened or something.  You’d be off on a vacation.  (laughter)  Just like there’s going to lots of people who aren’t going to move, but then what will happen, for some reason they will be in Arizona. …

Erika:  Because we can’t afford it!

Bestali:  Yes.  Doing a seminar, or going to a seminar, or visiting some friends, or on a vacation for some reason, they would just be there, and that’s why it’s also going to be very important for … oh, the people that we call the hand holders.  Because, there’s going to be some people who are all of a sudden going to be there, and they won’t have a home or anything.  They’re just visiting.  That’s why we’ve got all the Alien hand holders.  Because they’re going to have to build a whole new life.  But, it’s going to be different now.  See you’ve created this world where people don’t relate to each other.  They pass each other by on your busy streets, and you get on your buses and nobody says hello and nobody smiles at each other… things like this.  It’s not going to be like that. Everybody’s going to have to help each other to survive.  It’s going to get back to the way it once was, on this planet, where people related to each other as Souls.

Ida:  I don’t know if you can see, this is what this Lonnie Wilkins channeled as the new coast line.  Can you see it.  There’s not much left of Washington and Oregon.  It looks like the San Juan Islands are still there, and Mount Rainier

Lori:  Most of Washington is gone. acording to the map.  Why is it that Washington has called so many light workers in here, so many teachers in here if it’s all going to sink?

Bestali:  Well the main reason for this is … because this is where the teachers are learning how to be teachers.  Most of the people who are being called here they think their seekers right?  They come here seeking information.  They’re not seekers at all, they’re the teachers who are seeking the information they’re going to teach.  This is the university.  This is what this area is.  The university of teachers of light

Lois:  But she asked why are they being called here if it’s not going to be a safe area.

Bestali:  It is just a temporary university.  It was a choice that was made it is an area that is  … oh, there are some areas of the country that if you / we try to bring all the teachers here to teach them, we would have total chaos, because the people are so conservative that they’d be trying to run them out of town, and cause all kinds of trouble.  This is a very liberal area in many ways.  They allow people to just kind of do their thing.  That’s the main reason   And it doesn’t have …  It’s not all crazy like in California.  You know, there’s too much stuff going on in California, to go down there.  Because, there’s too many crazy’s doing their stuff.  It’s a very beautiful area, it’s very peaceful and serene, and it’s a very liberal area that’s going to allow people to do their things and it’s just a nice environment to learn in.

Tohakwa:  There is also much energy here in these mountains.  This Mount Rainier, is a prime example.  The energy that she puts forth is very strong and that is part of the calling to this area.  The come to learn the wisdom that the mountains have to offer.

Mike:  There’s going to be, ..and has been a lot of different technology here pretty soon.  Free energy devices, energy healing devices and these devices can also be used for eliminating solid waste.  The same technology but different devices.

Janetis:  And the teachers are here, and the technology will be here.

Lois:  What about the Colorado Springs area?

Bestali:  All of Colorado is safe.  Oh, I don’t want to say totally safe.  All of Colorado will stay above water, but there will be some changes within Colorado, as far as just Earth quake activity, during the changes.  You see when you think about it that way there’s technically, if your not suppose to be here, no area is safe.  If your living in some house some where in a safe area, there’s nothing saying the house isn’t going to fall in on you.

Janetis:  Or these cars, or these planes, or any of the other contraptions  that you have that you move in.  If you want to go return toSpirit, you shall do it.  You will do it.  If you want to stay here you shall do it.  A little more extensive than we see here.

Erika:  Then, what is the reason we are being told about the changes?

Janetis:  Because you asked.

Bestali:  Yes  (laughter)

Erika:  Oh, that means that you think we are ready to receive the answer.  To… to handle the answer that we get.

Bestali:  Well, you wouldn’t be asking the question of you weren’t ready for the answer.  Because if there was some reason why you weren’t ready for the answer, there would be some reason that would stop you from asking the question.

Tohakwa:  Or, if it were, more or less what you say, determined that the information would be presented in a given session, or some reason if you were not ready for this information, you would have not come.  The Higher Self, that is the job to prevent at times you from getting into things over your head, so to speak. 

Janetis:  We always have a choice.  We may… we may choose to look at changes in the earth with great anxieties or we may choose to look at them with joy, looking through the change to the next phase.  We always should choose joy.  Always.  Why would you choose pain?  Why would you choose sorrow, when you can choose joy?

Bestali:  And if you look at it from the perspective of the consciousness of your planet there’s no other way to look at it than joy.  What a freedom she is giving herself through these changes.  She is deserving.

Janetis:  You should rejoice.

Bobby:  Could you tell us a little bit about where your from?  And what it’s like there?

Janetis:  Well, one of the reasons we are here is because we did not serve as good Earth stewards to our planet.  Our planet is outside the Galaxy, just into the next Galaxy..

Bestali:  Universe.

Janetis:  Pardon me.  Universe pardon me.  It is now uninhabitable.  It was very much like the earth.  It was a very beautiful place with mountains, with oceans, very much like the earth.  And we were a society very much like the Earth people.  I could feel very at home here.  Those of us who are here, feel very at home.  But, we were not as good Earth stewards as you.  And so our planet, is still there, but it is shrinking and becoming more dense and eventually it will no longer be there.  All of our people are on ships, or here in body, or on other planets in body.  We have no more Earth to go to.  We have no more home to go to.  One of the reasons we are here is because we wish to assist you, we wish to assist you with the transition.  We want you to understand the severity of not being earth stewards.  Of not looking toward the planet as yourself.  You are one.  You destroy the earth, you destroy you.  There is a part of you gone.  All of us who are here, have a part of us gone.  We will assist you, if you let us.

Lori:  We were in a retreat recently and they were talking about the E.T.’s, or the ones that were the small ones as being very helpful and but they were warning against the… ah tall ones.  Ah the so called, the grey men and they had quite a lot to say about them and yet it doesn’t seem…..They’re persuading some of the others, I think it might be true for everything.  So what’s, going on.  They say they are to favor much less compassion, um… that they have not developed… have not developed the compassion, and that they were creating some problems here on the Earth.

Janetis:  There are very many Aliens so to speak, on this Earth.  We come here, many of us, to assist.  That’s our role.  We, with the Earth Council, with the Christ Council, with the Hierarchy of the Earth assist, with the blessings of the Hierarchy.  There are also those who come to observe, Those who come to observe may well be not as high level, but they shall not interfere with the earth.  As I said earlier, there is Universal Law.

Lori:  Well, their getting blamed for a lot of ah… for the animals that are, found that are ah … mutilated so bad, and some of the human beings.  Is that human?  Are we doing it to our own people or are the E.T.’s doing it.

Janetis:  Yes.

Bestali: You know it’s not, E.T.’s aren’t mutilating anything.

Janetis:  Yes.  You look around you my dear.  What are the people doing to themselves?

Lori:  Well that’s true.

Janetis:  What are they doing to each other?  You know, it’s not aliens that do this.

Bestali:  Oh yes, you people you mutilate each other.  There’s no reason to think you wouldn’t mutilate your animals also.

Lori:  That’s true.  We’re also doing it in a way that was rather strange.  Like they would say that they would find them and the blood had been completely drained out and they didn’t know why that … it was not  ah … a style I guess …

Bestali:  Well, you see you find this too, if you watch your news programs they say this about these, ah, people on your Earth, that call themselves satanists also.  They do these things and drain blood out of animals and I don’t know what they do with it.  A bunch of crazy stuff, but that’s probably where that’s coming from.  I would imagine that it is .. people on the planet who are choosing to have an experience that is not necessarily, what we would consider to be an experience of light.  But there are no right or wrong experiences.  You can still be a very loving entity of light and choose to have a lifetime experience of very darkness.  So even your people who are experiencing lifetimes choosing to be satanists, or something, are not necessarily not light beings.  They are choosing to experience something that helps them to increase their light by seeing the difference.  To experience a lifetime of such darkness like that when you come back to Spirit,  it allows you to have a different perspective of the light.  It allows you to feel the love even greater than you felt it before because you know what it feels like in the darkness.  There are others also who are choosing to have many many lifetimes of darkness and they are another story.

Roy:  You mentioned something earlier about the population explosion, where we were occupying more than one physical vehicle at the same time.  Could you expand on that a little bit?

Janetis:  It is not you per se, but your Higher Self, that which is your God self who chooses to have more than one, Seth calls them aspects.  Others call them other things.  We call them Potentials.  That is an individual Spirit’s prerogative.  Bestali and I no longer share that.  Tohakwa could have many Potentials.  He chooses not to.  It’s an individual Spirit’s choice.  For experience of course, for experience

Bestali:  In order to receive more experience faster you might say in your earth time.  If you have 5 people living on earth at once instead of one, you have 5 times the experience, and sometimes that’s helpful and sometimes it’s not.  Because, there are times, … if you only have one then, your very concentrated on that one, and the experience, and getting what you want out of it.  If you’ve got 5 here, you may be spreading yourself a little to thin.  Maybe they don’t have as much energy as they need, and maybe your going to end up in a worse position than when you started.  But there are many who are in a hurry you might say.  They want to ascend, or they want to get it over with, and so, they put out many Potentials thinking it’s going to get them there faster and maybe that’s just their lesson.

Myrtle:  Would you please speak about ascension.

Bestali:  I think that sounds like a subject for you Tohakwa, seeing as how that’s what he’s working towards very hard.

Tohakwa:  At this time, as you are perhaps well aware, there are many Brotherhoods, and I do not use that term relative to …  sex, male or female but as a title.  There are those of the Angelic Kingdom or Angelic Brotherhood, there are those, as many are aware of the Melchezeldeks, the Order of Enoch, the Order of Michael and countless others…the Great White Brotherhood, the White Brotherhood.  There are two paths that are there before you.  For the Angelic Kingdom are those Spirits that were born from the Source, so to speak, to come to earth to live…experience, lifetime after lifetime to gain wisdom and insight.  Who, at the time that they have learned what they are here to learn, and they step off of the wheel of life, reincarnation as you call it, they become part of the Angelic Hierarchy .  The Archangels are an example of that.  They are the equivalency, so to speak, of the Ascended Masters but in the Angelic Kingdom.  Those who are of many of these other Hierarchies belong to that which we refer to as the Ascended Masters Group.  We are a temporary Hierarchy.  For our job, so to speak, was to create

I am Tohawka, I come to you today to speak on the issue of healing.  There are many on this earth plane who now seek forms of healing other than what you would call this medical profession.  Understand me when I say that there are many who are healed by these doctors of yours and they do a great service in most cases.  There is perhaps, an area that they do not work with because it is one of spirit.  ALL illness or dis-ease is a problem of spirit, most of which is karma.  The karma to be worked out this lifetime is determined prior to your incarnating on this plane.  It is determined, by the Higher Self, that you will work out certain karma for the overall Spirit’s growth.  This karma can take several forms.  Alcoholism, drugs, yeast infection, cancer, indeed all forms of illness.  It may be decided that you will have an illness such as cancer, for say five years, and then this karmic debt will be cleared.  Those who get well by going to a medical doctor are those who have fulfilled their karmic debt.  That is why  people, on your plane, at times, have these recurrences of things such as cancer, for their karmic debt has not been balanced.

There are many on this earth plane who are excellent at healing, but, it must be understood that only those people who have balanced their karma will get well.  It doesn’t matter who is the healer or how great their power.  All karma can be erased or balanced by wisdom.  It is for this reason that I write to you now.  Through understanding this karma and why you bring this illness to yourself you can work toward balancing this and heal yourself.  This is also an important area I wish to discuss.  You must understand that you may go to any and all people of healing and nothing will happen until you are ready to have it happen.  The reality of healing is that YOU heal yourself.  No other person or spirit can heal you.  These people of healing are in most cases instrumental in helping you, but, you are the one that actually did the healing.  Do you see?

A physical form is merely a reflection of the spirit that resides within.  When the spirit is healed, the body responds in kind, so to speak.  All things are possible when one gains the wisdom.

All medical diagnosis using these cards is to be done in privacy.  Prior to shuffling the cards put all the cards in the upright position.  This will assure that the cards used will be in the position desired.  Shuffle thoroughly, thinking the name of the person to be diagnosed.  Tis is a three (3) card layout.

THE EAGLE

Chakra’s are blocked and the spirit is not being allowed to soar.

THE HAWK

Problems with eyes, eyesight.  Possible learning difficulties etc…

THE ELK

Intestinal problems, stomach, intestines, colon cancer possible, etc..

THE DEER

Problems of childhood or birth.  Birth defects, polio, mental retardation, downs syndrome, water on the brain, Reyes syndrome etc…

THE BEAR

Skin problems – acne, rashes, skin cancer, psoriasis, eczema, dermatitis etc..

THE SNAKE

Blood poisoning, systemic problems, (yeast) infections.

THE SKUNK

Brain tumor – possible stroke.

THE OTTER

Problems of the teeth, gums or mouth.

BUTTERFLY

Holes in the aura causing problems.

THE TURTLE

Problems with the feet.  Corns, ingrown toenails, fungus, hairline fractures.

THE MOOSE

Throat, voice, strep throat, possible throat cancer.

THE PORCUPINE

Broken bones, possibly one in the past that has healed improperly.

THE COYOTE

Liver problems – alcohol problem possible.

THE DOG

Female reproductive problems. Infertility, endometriosis, PMS cramps, etc..

THE WOLF

Drug problem.  Extreme possibility of death.  Heroin, cocaine, LSD, speed etc..

THE RAVEN

Head pains, Migraine headaches.

THE MOUNTAIN LION

Agility affected.  Pain in the legs, etc..  Affecting ability to move.  Torn ligaments possible.  Common problem with athletes.

THE LYNX

Nervous system problems.  Lack of circulation.  Tingling in the extremities.

THE BUFFALO

Heart problems.  disease, possible attack.

THE MOUSE

Infectious disease.  Aids, Veneareal Disease (VD), Communicable disease by other person.

THE OWL

Bladder problems.  Incontinent, Urethra infection, etc…

THE BEAVER

Communicable disease by insect or animal.  Malaria, Rabies, Plague.

THE OPOSSUM

Death.  Returning to spirit.  Nothing you can do.

THE CROW

This person wines, but is not sick at all.

THE FOX

This persons illness is minor and self induced to manipulate others.

THE SQUIRREL

This person has temporary discomfort due to new spiritual advancement.

THE DRAGONFLY

This is a temporary illness created by the higher self to get the attention of the potential.

THE ARMADILLO

There are problems sleeping.  Insomnia, nightmares, endocrine imbalance.  hypo or hyper thyroid, edrenal tumor.

THE BADGER

This is a hormonal imbalance.

THE RABBIT

This is a sugar related problem.  diabetes, hypoglysemia etc..

THE TURKEY

This is a glandular problem.

THE ANT

Any problems of this person are caused by excess weight.

THE WEASEL

Yeast, Yeast And More Yeast.  Serious problem  all symptoms are this Candida.

THE GROUSE

This is a problem of the spine.  Disk, back pain, lack of muscle strength.

THE HORSE

This person is dehydrated. possible constipation or obstructed bowel.

THE LIZARD

Instant karma.  This must run it’s course.

THE ANTELOPE

This person is in a dream state.  They may have loss of clarity, difficult vision. this person is not in beta.

THE FROG

This person is manifesting negative emotions inward.  If they change this behavior the healing they desire will take place.

THE SWAN

Food poisoning or has taken poison by accident or on purpose.

THE DOLPHIN

There are alergies to diary products and many grains.

THE WHALE

This person cannot be helped without a physical operation.

THE BAT

There is a chemical imbalance causing mental problems.

THE SPIDER

Web of various illnesses lay out a seven (7) card spread.

THE HUMMINGBIRD

Someone elses negativity is sucking life out of this person and causing them to lose energy and in turn create illness.

Tohakwa through Engtovo

These don’t include the animals that were added to the set at a later date, I’ve never had a version of the set with those extra cards

© 1989 Engtovo Bhodsvatan